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[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 5 days ago (4 children)

ok perfect that means i have 10 days to convince a chinese man to marry me so i can move there permanently. If all else fails i find XI and beg him on my hands and knees.

[–] miz@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

it's 10 days per trip, if you can afford multiple flights you can keep rolling the dice. and you might even just be able to do a border transit somewhere to renew your 10 days. take a ferry to jeju, whatever

[–] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 days ago

This would be a great romcom

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 days ago

Can we share Xi? So we can both get citizenship

[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 days ago

I would pirate the cam rip of this room lol

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago (4 children)

So let me get something straight.

USA and China: tariffs, sanctions, proclamations of a trade war (spoken from trump, unspoken from Biden), inching towards an actual war.

Yanks get a week visa free.

Russia and China: massive trade, ever growing flow of resources in exchange for products, infrastructure projects to make said resource flow grow bigger still, proclamations of "friendship without limits".

Russians require a visa with no change in sight.

Am I getting it right?

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

As much as we’d like China to be principled like the USSR, they aren’t. At least not yet, the PRC continues to pursue a realpolitik strategy as they feel they can position themselves as necessary for the West. They are arming themselves quickly but are not yet in a position to face the US militarily. China has learned from the “mistakes” made from socialism’s first experiments. The weakness of capitalism is that it cannot go to war with a nation so crucial to its economy. Even if the war hawks want war with China, even a proper full blown Cold War, the business elites will intervene. China has realized with Climate Change that the business elites that control the nation will feed in the through of profits even at the risk of their own annihilation.

This means China can avoid an unfair advantage that capitalists broadly and the US specifically had at expanding Empire, that war is profitable to capitalist nations therefore the expansion of military goals served a dual purpose. However socialist nations have no use for war after they industrialize, it’s just a waste of labor and resources that could go elsewhere. As long as China maintains the balancing act where the US begrudgingly has to keep China as an ally of sorts, then China can have time needed to become richer and stronger. The USSR for example had to become stronger while poor in its infancy, it was able to still get ahead from the early days of the Union, but who knows how much wealthier they could’ve been if they weren’t bogged so much down in war?

The US is looking at India, Vietnam or Brazil or whatever for possible ways to allow the US to decouple from the PRC, but they know that even in the best case scenarios that would take decades as China quite literally sells the US rope to hang themselves. China set up a master plan and the US fell for it with Deng and the following leaders as the US was licking its lips hoping to see China become a capitalist nation and fed it its manufacturing out of greed and allowed China to grow its high-tech modernity and Global competitiveness as the US knows its growing China’s productive forces but can’t stop it.

China needs to hold this pattern, whether we’d like to see them reacting a different way, if it hinders the larger plan, it would be all for naught. The US is in a very precarious position, even small in dips in quality of life enrages a population that has little actual patriotism, asking the population to engage in an “arduous march” to cut off China right now is laughable. So they’re stuck.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Russians have a 10 day free transit visa, in which they must provide proof that they're traveling to another country afterwards.

https://www.chinadiscovery.com/chinese-visa/240-hour-visa-free-transit.html

not great but its something

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Curious, I was going off of the information from the Russian tourism agencies, which only cite 14 day visa free visits to Macau and Hong Kong. Thanks!

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

there is visa free travel from Russia

(6) 30-Day Hainan Visa-free Entry - 59 Countries (US, Canada, Australia, Malaysia...)

Since May 1, 2018, citizens from 59 countries are visa exempted to travel to Hainan Island (Haikou, Sanya...) from any open ports in Hainan, for no more than 30 days. Meanwhile, they must report current travel information (including passport, round-trip tickets, hotel reservation and itinerary in Hainan) to a local travel agency 48 hours before arrival.

59 Hainan Visa-free Countries:

Europe (40 Countries): Albania, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovak, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, United Kingdom;

https://www.chinadiscovery.com/chinese-visa/visa-free-countries.html

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hainan isn't really mainland, is it?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

it's not, but still travel to China :)

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yea but thats only to Hainan, which is the farthest part of china from Russia lol, it's around the distance from Mexico to Canada.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

True, just pointing out that it does exist. Northern provinces certainly be easier to get to from Russia. :)

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They do have a 10 day transit visa free but need proof of departure afterwards, same for México 😞 i doublechecked.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Hopefully that expands at some point.

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not so sure the neoliberal ruling class in Russia wants their working class visiting such a successful socialist state. People might start to get ideas about what they could have had if their own socialist state hadn't been illegally dissolved.

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, would the USian ruling class want to have their working class visiting a successful socialist state?

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

No, but the implication here is that the Russian state has hinted at or explicitly stated to the CPC that they do not want visa free travel for their population and in order to maintain friendly relations, the CPC has obliged. Since the west has essentially taken friendly relations off the table, they don't have the leverage to do the same. This is of course all speculation and I hope that as Russia and China grow closer diplomatically, they will eventually be granted these same privileges.

[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I pogged. Never thought that'd happen. The last time I had to do the visa process, it took months to be approved and we had to have a sponsor filling out documents with us. Need to start planning.

[–] Midnight_Pearl@hexbear.net 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

what kind of visa was it? i was able to get an L visa for 3-month stays and 10 year validity in about a week

though tbf i'm in the US and used swift and it was kinda expensive, but the consulate website is showing really fast processing times too

[–] Bureaucrat@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

This was many years ago and it was technically a tourist visa. I wouldn't be surprised if they made things a lot more efficient. We had to mail in a lot of documents which is the part that took a while.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Same here. On the planning

[–] luchuan@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 5 days ago

花叶姐妹我来啦!

[–] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 days ago

And say Dalai Lama is no more.