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I'm planing on backpacking across Europe next year and I hate being the dipshit who only speaks one langue. I already have a small amount of german and spanish so those are the only two I'm interested in. I get the impression that outside of Spain spanish isn't spoken much but I do plan on traveling south america at some point too so spanish is going to be needed eventually.

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[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If we're talking only Europe, I might actually say French, just because of how familiar Germans are with English. Most Europeans speak good English, but France is kind of an outlier there. In terms of overall usefulness, however, Spanish is hands down the more useful language to learn given how widely spoken it is in the world.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

Spanish will definitely net you some mileage out of the learning process

[–] Beetle@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In (rural parts of) countries like Czechia and Poland there’s a lot of people that don’t speak English but do understand German.

[–] glans@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

Spanish is cooler and sexier

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago

Spanish might also be helpful in France because a lot of Spanish words are French words with O or A at the end

[–] blame@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

You'll almost certainly be fine with only English because so many people speak at least a little bit of it. You may have trouble in places that don't get many tourists but translate apps are pretty good these days and you can download language packs usually for offline translation. If you're going to go to South America having a bit of spanish will be way more useful because at least in my experience english proficiency is a lot lower there than in Europe. So if you want to learn a language I'd say go with Spanish instead of German. You'll get more practice by sticking to it longer, it's probably more familiar to you if you're an American, and it'll overall be more useful for the kinds of things you want to do.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

If you live in the US, Spanish will be eventually helpful to you in many ways, especially in political organizing. Spanish is one of the major languages of the colonized world and therefore an enormous amount of excellent politics is happening in Spanish. Learn Spanish.

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

The only reason to learn German is if you intend to emigrate there. English and knowing key phrases in the country you’re in is sufficient in Western Europe.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You speak english, so:

West of the former GDR border: spanish
East of the former GDR border: german

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Spanish is totally irrelevant outside spain, russian, german and french are the biggest three langauges understood by most europeans. Of course english by younger people.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Depends entirely on where in Europe you're going - There are technically more countries where you'll be able to use German, but it's often limited to specific areas of them that are right next to Germany, so neither language is super useful for Europe in general.
You'll have better results working on your feelings of being a dipshit who only knows one language - even if you learn a new one you aren't going to be speaking the local language for a lot of the trip, but the locals will probably speak some English, so you'll be doing a lot of communication with a mix of that and a translator app. Plenty of locals won't speak any English though, or any other foreign languages, because like you they don't have a need for a second language; neither you nor they are dipshits for not knowing how something you have never needed or used works.

[–] rhubarb@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

People will almost certainly prefer speaking English to you outside Spain or the German-speaking countries, and also probably inside them, sadly. Just learn a couple of useful words per country as you travel, some places love that shit. Sounds like you are a little more motivated to learn Spanish, which counts for a lot, so I would go with that.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

German is far more useful (in Europe) unless you're traveling around Spain; the Balkans and Eastern Europe in particular will have a lot of German speakers, the low countries have plenty of German speakers, and of course the Germanic countries as well. That said, Spanish or German pale in comparison to English in terms of usefulness, and there's very few instances outside of German countries (Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Luxembourg kind of) where somebody would prefer to speak German to you than English. If you're planning on traveling to South America ever just learn Spanish instead, it's far more useful globally and has way more speakers than German. It's relatively easy to get by with just English anywhere in Europe that's on the tourist circuit.

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

never learn german

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spanish in Italy, maybe France and Portugal. German in Eastern Europe.

As long as you don't speak to boomers, most people should at least know basic English.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spanish in Italy

Only works if you really enunciate your hand gestures

[–] Vingst@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only time I really needed to speak German in Germany was giving directions to a cab driver. I think pretty much everyone speaks English there except recent immigrants.

[–] Vingst@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But I enjoy learning the language, it comes easier than romance languages.

[–] Vingst@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And generally I think it won some goodwill to at least be able to say, "Mein Deustch ist nicht so gut."

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Deutsch :smuglord:

[–] Vingst@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd also say French people outside of touristy areas are less likely to speak English than germanic peoples. I haven't been to Spanish language countries. I've heard Spanish is close enough to Italian to be somewhat intelligible, but IDK, YMMV.

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fuck learning french, no one likes the french.

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

I wonder why US propaganda pushes hating on French people so much. Maybe, because they actually have some class consciousness and often do general strikes.