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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think we should also force chuck e cheese to perform abortions.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 3 points 6 days ago

Instead of doctors we'd have AI controlled animatronics doing the deed.

[–] crawancon@lemm.ee 106 points 1 week ago (7 children)

wtf is a catholic hospital? you get wine and crackers while you wait in purgatory?

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They add indulgence cost to your hospital bill

[–] qupada@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remaining alive: such an indulgence...

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Many hospitals are owned by the Catholic Church and are a huge source of income.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not just the catholics, either. Many flavors of Christianity run hospitals.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a good cover for diabolical greed

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 95 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Perhaps Catholic institutions shouldn't be forced to perform actions against their beliefs, but then they don't get to use the word "hospital" in relation to whatever their building does.

I feel this should apply to pharmacies too. If you want to have pharmacists that can deny you valid prescriptions from your doctor, then they don't get to call that building a "pharmacy". Just like cigarettes there should be a large lettered warning on the door to the establishment informing you that the person inside has indicated they will deny you a prescription if they feel like it. If the pharmacists want to exercise their moral discretion, they don't get to use the word "pharmacy" for whatever building/business they're doing it in.

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they aren't a hospital or pharmacy then they shouldn't be able to practice medicine.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago

If y our religion dictates that you not perform life saving procedures, Then you have no business being in medicine.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I simply don't want religious anything that is essential services.

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

What the fuck even is a catholic hospital? Praying the pain away? Offering a free confession close to death?

Surely they are not making use of modern medicine based on science that defies their beliefs.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Religious hospitals? What will they think of next!

At least in countries that charge patients money for their healthcare, these religious hospitals are free, right? Given how much money Christianity makes in donations, and given that their whole religion is all about helping others for nothing in return and without judgement, it would make sense they'd run free hospitals providing healthcare for all, no matter their situation ♥️

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[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago

I don't want religious institutions near healthcare. Imposing attitudes of abstinence only moral puritanism on others. Thats not medicine. Like the WHO said 7 almost 8 years ago drug use needs to be globally decriminalized to remove attitudes of discrimination from health care settings. And at the time then nobody foresaw roe v wade being knocked back and turning the clock of social progress back 5/6 decades+ i wish j could say things cant get any worde but they can and they will. So we don’t need the people making things worse involved in the administration of medical care. We already have too many religious bigots with hoarded wealth whispering in the ear of the dumbest moron on the planet who has control of the nuclear football. And healthcare is already bastardized by the incentives of shareholder profits and the vultures of the for profit insurance industry whos sole purpose is tk deny people adequate health care to boost profits whenever possible so lets not shove religion down the throats of people who are often denied basic dignities.

[–] Rivalarrival 31 points 1 week ago (8 children)

If abortion is an option, it is the only option worth considering.

The only kids who should be carried to term are the ones that have been planned and prepared for.

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[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I rotated through a Catholic hospital while getting my degree in genetic counseling. Our whole job was to give women with pregnancies at high risk of genetic conditions all the information they needed to make an informed decision on how they want to move forward, and we weren't even allowed to mention the option of abortion. I was very glad when that rotation was over.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Reclassify abortion as an exorcism, get a priest chanting some Latin during the procedure and done.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they don't want to perform particular procedures based on their faith then they can call themseves a "Western Faith Therapy Centre"

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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How come 90% of these twitter screenshots I see on lemmy are all just witty comebacks to fake opinions that nobody actually holds? This is like those "feminist gets rekt with facts and logic" compilation videos on youtube, but for liberals. Poking fun at strawmen every once in a while is entertaining, but it gets old really quickly.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is a 100% real opinion a lot of people hold.

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (7 children)

A hospital is just a building and the organization that owns the building.

The real question is, should hospitals be allowed to force or forbid doctors from providing medical care?

A doctor (Catholic or not) should never, and can never, be forced to perform a medical procedure, including abortions. And they also shouldn't be forbidden from performing a medical procedure.

Hospitals just provide rooms and equipment so that doctors can provide the care that their patients need, within their ability to provide that care.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If a doctor refuses to perform a medically necessary procedure because of his/her religion, as far as om concerned that should invalidate their medical license immediately.

[–] Ilflish@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The is a medical as is already you want to cut the amount of practicing nurses and doctors to fit your agenda. It's a two way street. I don't think a doctor should be forced to circumcise someone either just because it's a religious ritual

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Religious circumcision is not a medically required procedure, its a religious procedure from the stoneage that should be outlawed

I don't think a doctor should be forced to circumcise someone either just because it's a religious ritual

I'm petty sure most religious rituals are medically unnecessary, and medical doctors ought to be free to refuse to perform them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

should hospitals be allowed to force or forbid doctors from providing medical care?

They provide the facilities, which includes administration and legal and billing. So in that regard, they have to have some kind of say, simply because they need to stock the equipment, train the nurses/MAs, and establish standard protocols for a given procedure. Otherwise, how do you contest a medical malpractice claim?

A doctor (Catholic or not) should never, and can never, be forced to perform a medical procedure, including abortions. And they also shouldn’t be forbidden from performing a medical procedure.

Doctors can and do regularly incur liability if they fail to perform certain necessary medical procedures, particularly in emergency room settings. A doctor that fails to follow protocol can be subject to malpractice. If, for instance, a Christian Scientist doctor refused to provide a blood transfusion to an individual suffering from sever blood loss or a narcotics prohibitionist doctor attempts to do surgery without providing anesthesia, they can get in some serious trouble.

Religious convictions don't override medical protocols. What's at issue is the legality of the protocols as they stand. Can a woman whose health is at risk from pregnancy receive an abortion without the doctors incurring criminal liability?

Right now, it appears that State AGs in prohibitionist states are threatening the licenses and freedoms of doctors who would provide life-saving care. Hospital administrators are acting as intermediaries because the hospital itself would suffer legal liability if staff knowingly permitted/facilitated an illegal procedure.

[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

"do no harm, unless it violated your specific religious ideology" that's how the oath goes right?

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