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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

Maybe y'all should stop screeching bootlicker schill Nazi with every moderate take and replace the mods with reasonable people trying to mod instead of censoring opposition vote points.

So so so many people talking about confusion and platform design and privacy. It's the users and moderation pushing regular people away.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago

Also our developers are too poor to ge oligarchs.

[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 9 points 3 hours ago

Turns out normalizing mass surveillance makes people not care about being spied on

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

I don't want TikTokers on the Fediverse, thankyouverymuch.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The TikTok algorithm shows you what you want to see. My TikTok algorithm was history, math, and language learning content.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

you can defederate with groups but gatekeeping the entire fediverse feels wrong

[–] tantan@lemm.ee -1 points 5 hours ago

So be it. Tiktok is one big slop pool of content. The fediverse doesnt have to be. Tiktok needs to be. I'm okay with advocating for that separation, sorry.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

We've been here the whole time

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago

I do! Their opinions affect us; the fediverse reduces a social problem.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

What should we expect from people who voted in a rich, old, white guy as their savior.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago

This anti-China sentiment is just dumb our politicians are just holding everything back, when we should be working with China for the betterment of the planet. They've always been responsible for making technology accessible, and every day.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 70 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Fediverse and decentralism confused me initially but then I learned I can just sign up at lemmy.world and use it normally without having to know the backend.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A site goes to shit when everyone and their grandma hops on it. At the risk of sounding elitist, I would prefer to a part of the userbase that hasn't been Eternal Septembered into the lowest common denominator.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago

All right then, keep your secrets. But then let's promote a normie instance to Grandma so she doesn't get brainwashed.

[–] tantan@lemm.ee -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The internet use to be about discovery, not convinience. The reason big companies like TikTok can exploit people so well is because the barrier of entry is so low and people would rather get their content quick than to have any involvement in how it works. When someone creates a federated community or a server, it's not plug and play. Work goes into that, so yeah, if you want simplicity, stay on X and Facebook and Insta. If you want control and more clarity about how these protocols work, welcome.

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 13 points 17 hours ago

You get it. Well said.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 10 points 17 hours ago

I agree that promoting the fediverse generally kind of doesn't make sense. People join communities, not web protocols.

I wonder if we shouldn't talk so much about "the fediverse" as we do about individual instances, because that's what people actually join. They get the rest of the fediverse for free, but their home server will always be home. Just like with reddit back in the day, how I may not have identified much with the reddit overculture, I did love some of its communities.

Like look at the difference between the slrpnk communities, and the programming.dev communities. That's something to be celebrated, like, come join this server - look at all the cool things we're doing!

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances.

I've seriously thought about starting up a website to do exactly this. The problem is I already have a mile long project list. Oh and I suck at UX lmao, backend and hosting/infrastructure stuffs that's my jam. Putting together a nice UX with a good flow and then successfully promoting it....

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Pixelfed’s app release seems like a good start.

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[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 25 points 19 hours ago (10 children)

"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."

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[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.

Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You can't put videos on pixelfed, right? That unfortunately means it's not a competitive platform. Video is what people seem to want.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

You can. Your instance just needs to up the max size or turn it on.

Example from someone who only has one video as the sample content. https://pixelfed.social/p/Sarahschannel/785335877987047968

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 24 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Somewhere deep in the CCP...

Senior Operative: "What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?"

Junior Operative: "I'm beginning to think this well is dry."

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

" . . . giving Rednote access to their data as a show of protest . . ."

That's a special kind of stupid.

[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)

People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.

If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.

It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.

No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Reddit got quite successfull over the years.

I think the potential audience for lemmy is huge, just that people havent gotten the same marketing hype/trend like you pointed out.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise

Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.

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