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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world
 

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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

really?

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

Yes. Why? Because pettiness

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

We are using it mainly as a massive middle finger to the US government

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 7 points 20 hours ago

idk, pixelfed is doing great.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 75 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:

edited Gru with an uncanny smile

[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)

Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute

I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination

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[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 day ago

Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were "Devil's on this earth for killing babies" which like...damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren't beating the allegations.

So I'm sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn't worry.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago

Platforms that work and are easy to use*

[–] watty@lemm.ee 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.

Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.

Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

A big barrier is the UI, the default lemmy UI is terrible.

The apps aren't great either, I'm very techy and haven't found one feels as nice as reddit (and the reddit app has many issues)

Normies just aren't going to push past all those barriers

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[–] nroth@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think it's probably marketing more than convenience

[–] jodanlime@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago

I agree. You have to either be in the tech sphere or privacy sphere to know about fediverse apps. Outside of reddit refugees I don't think anyone using the normal apps know about fediverse options or what that even means to be decentralized. I don't think it's really a functionality or convenience issue, we really need our own special interest groups or something to help with fedi app branding and PR. Not sure if that is even something that is crowd sourceble?

[–] witten@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's marketing, but it's also the value proposition. Average Joes don't see the value in decentralization, privacy, or the freedom from corporate control. Although that may change under an authoritarian regime....

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problem

[–] amon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Loops by Pixelfed

IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You're not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

I don’t see why the concept should be unethical.

In practice, of course it is insanely unethical as the algorithms are designed to maximize view time which leads to algorithmic radicalization and hate spreading more quickly, but the concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

It’s expensive for video though.

In other words, I have a hard time seeing Pixelfed with a high quality "benign" TikTok algorithm. It’s already possible for music, but video data\analysis is just so voluminous that, without the profitable exploitation backing it, I don't see how they'd pay for it.

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[–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Where were people's protests & complaints when the US government were first proposing the ban?

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Everyone assumed that they wouldn't be so stupid as to ban an app used by 170,000,000 Americans.

Now they've proven that yes they are that stupid. That corrupt.

So nah. Not going back to any US based alternative. Ever. TT to Red Book. If they ban Red Book we'll go to VK or Jaco or whatever Vietnam has going on.

Best part? It took all of about 2 hours to completely obliterate 60 years of CIA propaganda. We can see plain how much better they have it than we do. How much better life is there.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 69 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They want a platform that isn’t controlled by oligarchs yet they go to a platform that is controlled by the CCP, interesting

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 69 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean the CCP isn't an oligarchy; it's an old school dictatorship.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have been site-banned from .ml

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In addition, every hour, on the hour, a jackbooted wannabe PLA soldier that looks remarkably like they could be any random 15 year-old kid from Cleveland will be at your door to read- and mispronounce several paragraphs of The Communist Manifesto.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 133 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago

This is it. A strong public domain benefits everyone. It is why open source software works.

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[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 day ago

Ptime example:

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 81 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

FWIW Pixelfed's been growing like crazy the last couple days

Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats

edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats

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[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TikTok doesn't want the data of the average person becaue they aren't valuable in any way.

TikTok is being blocked because they can manipulate their algorithm to feed influencers to them that push pro-Chinese stances.

Imagine a hypothetical hot war between the US and China where China is telling a significant number of the US population what to think. I specifically say it that way becaue I don't believe any US company has a significant user base is China.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
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And because of the potential blackmail stuff I suppose

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (20 children)

They’d be right at home at .ml

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

People so stupid

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I do find it kinda funny that that the US gov. Was using "CCP propaganda" as an excuse to ban a platform of expression, and now many of those users have begun using an app that actually has a history of defending the CCP

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