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In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden's strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 209 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Rapist claims victims shouldn't fight back. More at 11pm

[–] MonkeMischief 13 points 5 days ago

Oh. Wow. You win.

If that rooftop guy could hit the mark like this comment did, we wouldn't be having to listen to his chaotic-evil nonsense right now.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 216 points 5 days ago (6 children)

So Ukraine, hear me out... Eliminate Trump and Putin during the negotiations, blame it on someone else. Everyone will thank you, and we'll get over it.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 127 points 5 days ago (9 children)

I'm sure at this point if Zelenskyy pulled out a wellrod, popped both of them and said "Slava Ukraini" there would be a round of applause.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 60 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If he does this, I'm getting Heroiam Slava tattooed on my chest.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

i honestly don't think anyone would put him to trial. like suddenly everyone you know was with the president of ukraine at the time of the incident. and sure, that's not what questions the ICC would be asking, but that's what we'd all be saying

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[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Downside is you'll have JD Vance as president. Unsure that'll be any better.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Vance has a brain, which is both scarier and more reassuring at the same time.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 71 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Vance has no political capital like Trump. He doesn't have a cult he can use to threaten to primary people. Once Trump is gone all of this loses momentum.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

Will be interesting to watch the power vacuum when Trump dies. It will be a great opportunity for the democrats to make progress. I’m sure they’ll find a way to fuck that up too.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You'll have millions/billions of people willing to be your alibi. "According to people calling in, Zelensky was at 300,000 bars, sleeping on 1,250,000 couches, and attending 13 Bar Mitvahs that night, so he couldn't have killed Trump and Putin."

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 154 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Ukraine HAD a deal with Russia ensuring its peace and its borders. It was called the Budapest Memorandum. Russia was the one violating the deal Russia had agreed to.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago

Of course he did. Trump would never stand up to a bully, he would never defend the weak against the nasty. That would take courage, but Trump has only cowardice and sycophacny for bullies.

Trump is a person who sucks up to bullies, and punches down on the bullied, through and through.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 121 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is literally all the “anti war” arguments. George Washington should have just stopped resisting the red coats.

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Washington was part of a revolution. This is an invasion. More like Russia should have just let Napoleon have it.

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yo. You know. Screw him. Slava Ukraini!!!

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 88 points 5 days ago

Convicted rapist says victims shouldnt fight back

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trump is a little bitch. Doesn't know what being a man is, because if he did, he'd do the opposite of this.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

It's worse. I doubt he knows what being a human is...

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago

I'm kinda getting a "if you're getting raped just lay back and take it" vibe from this.

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 84 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“Just lay there and take it.” Is Trump’s motto

[–] CircuitGuy@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It sounds right in content and in him not knowing that lay is a transitive verb.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A WHAT-itive verb?!?

-shits out a new Executive Order-

[–] iowagneiss@midwest.social 6 points 3 days ago

Well yeah, and now he's taking this move from Putin's playbook for Greenland. He's at the "people in Greenland would rather be US citizens" stage. Putin did the same thing in the beginning when talking about the territories in Ukraine he wanted to take.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

“They’re saying ‘the war is tomorrow’ – this causes panic on the market and elsewhere," Zelensky, Jan 2022 in response to US warnings of imminent Russian invasion.

Zelensky didn't "choose to fight" because Russia insisted there would be no fight right up until it crossed the border. It would've been considered a sneak attack but for the US telling everyone Russia was invading for a full month in advance. There was no choice offered to Zelensky and never has been since, unless you count Russia's current stance of basically "give us all your weapons and maybe then we'll negotiate"/

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You might not believe me but anyone can just walk into maralargo. Trump won't have you trespassed, he will offer you a cash deal to leave. Trust me, it's true. Ez money.

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 19 points 5 days ago

This is why he's having such a hard time getting Musk to leave. How do you make a problem go away when your only problem solving skill is bribery and your problem is a higher degree of wealth than your bribing power?

[–] arb_user@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago

Fuck Trump you spineless corporate shill

[–] EgoNo4@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The annoying orange should not be discussing matters he knows shit about...

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (2 children)

But then the only things he can talk about are rape, treason, paying for sex, and shitting his pants

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Dude come on. That's not true.
He also cheats at golf a lot.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Does he really believe this, or is this redirected anger because he's finally figured out that he can't, in fact, just solve it?

Probably, Putin told him to pound sand, and then OPEC basically just ignored him when collapsing oil prices was the next idea.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 14 points 5 days ago (17 children)

Putin didn’t tell him to pound sand. Putin holds the leash. Everything Donald Trump says and does is to advance Russian interests.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Really? So, Mexico can take back what they lost and the USA will not resist.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (6 children)

If by that you mean Texas? Please take it back.

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[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 days ago

Of course the convicted felon would say that Ukraine should just lie down and let Russia grab 'em by the country.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So president of a nation that has the motto "give me liberty or give me death" is saying this.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The people who voted for him tend to prefer "Don't tread on me" which makes it even more ironic.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ugh. I guess it’s starting. Anyone placing bets on how long before Trump does a complete about-face on the situation and starts running joint missions with Russia against Ukraine? I’m morbidly suspicious that might really be how things end up.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 30 points 5 days ago

This isn't exactly a secret. Remember in the debate when he said he'd end the war, and refused to say which side he'd be on?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 21 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Preparing the people of Greenland....

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[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Honestly I'm more worried about the NATO 5% thing which is blatantly designed to fracture the alliance.

The number was 2%, and many didn't hit that. 5% is never going to happen and is going to be Trump's cause to pull out, mark my words. Thankfully Congress put some stops in there, but doesn't mean Trump can't fuck things up bigly.

Ukraine can schlump along with NATO sans USA, but no NATO and Ukraine is finished.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

America hasn't had to deal with the recieving end of Imperialism for almost 250 years. (its been on the giving end of it for the last century) America is in no position, not Trump, not Elon, not Biden, not the dude that just wants to grill. None of them are in a position to tell someone not to fight for freedom, when there is an actual threat of losing ones freedom and sovereignty. Most western countries have long forgotten what the struggle is all about because they've had their freedom for centuries.

Ukraine's fight has been going on for centuries, but 2022-Present has been the defining moment of that fight.

If you aren't going to help, shut the fuck up, and fuck off and let the rest of us handle it. Ukraine isn't going to stop fighting for its existence just because Part of America is tired and upset about superficial things like egg prices. If America isn't going to carry the torch of Liberty, there are plenty of others willing to take it from here.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Glad to see the ghost of Neville Chamberlain is still around.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 days ago

if only he hadn't fought back against being prosecuted.

he'd be in prison... or on death row... and we wouldn't be in this mess---again.

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