Is this just the password manager? If so, why this over Bitwarden?
this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2023
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For myself, mostly using KeePassXC. ProtonPass exists just as a backup for extremely important accounts, in the event where I somehow lost all of my KeePass files stored on all my devices lol.
That said, I do agree that Bitwarden (or most other clients) is probably way superior than ProtonPass itself. I do wish that they had focused on improving their other applications (Mail, Drive. VPN), rather than try to compete in the password manager space...
I get the feeling they are trying to create a suite of applications to keep you locked into the ecosystem.
For my own stuff, I do prefer Bitwarden over Proton Pass. Simply because having a lot of stuff in Proton and if then ending up being locked out feels like a too high risk.
I even have some stuff in https://www.passwordstore.org/ where it's synchronised to some (encrypted) locations and internal storage servers ... especially stuff which can help me if I get locked out of Bitwarden.
Don't put all your eggs into the same basket. Avoid the SPOF.
That said, for Proton accounts where I'm the admin - I would recommend Proton Pass these days, as it provides ease of convenience. Where less technical users has only one "platform" to relate to. If these users gets locked out; I have a chance to help them recovering again.
Pass has a more modern ui and works better on my phone. It integrates with simplelogin a tiny bit better
As a Mail Plus subscriber, this makes me angry because I have no way to even buy Proton Pass without paying for the full Unlimited Plan (which I don't need).
Probably my biggest complaint with Proton is how little they focus on their paying subscribers that bought in for the products that existed at the time. They've brought out 3 more apps before making the first 2 really great.
As someone who has used it from near the start, I'm perfectly fine with how they've treated me.
Gave me more storage on anniversaries, locked in discounts, keep improving solid products, etc.
They could certainly focus more on Linux products but overall I'm quite happy as is even. Mail UI vastly improved, calendar works though I use it little, etc. Jmho
@Scrollone @stifle867 it doesn’t seem very professional or well run. Reminds me a little of Mozilla. Both focus on many thinks and do an average (to bad) job rather than doing fewer things with a focus on excellence.
Exactly. It does feel like they're losing their focus. It's especially noticeable when it comes to feature parity across devices and basic things that never get fixed.
I understand they probably have "different teams" working on the different products which a lot of companies use as a cover to say that the resources spent on the new projects don't "take away" from the old ones. We can see how that has turned out in the video game industry where they can pump out microtransactions on a broken game.
It's especially galling how they want money for the ability to store multiple logins through their app.
Just login through a mobile browser and it will store multiple logins AND has a better interface. WTF?
If I'm not wrong, logins are unlimited even if you're on the free plan?
The only added benefit of the paid plan is unlimited email aliases and MFA ( which most people use external apps).
Unless they have changed it since the last time I used the app, no. You have to log out and enter new login information for every account.
Even if they've changed it, unless the app interface has changed the mobile web is still leaps better.
I thought you meant saved logins and passwords, rather than the proton account login.
To the second point, the paid plan still doesn't allow multiple account logins on mobile app, sign out is still required. Are you referring to vault sharing through family plan as the feature?
Goddammit I'm going to have to draw a diagram, aren't I?
When you go to the proton.me login page, you are presented with all of your login names. You select the one you want to use, enter a password, and you're in. Of course you have to fucking sign out to switch to another one. THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
The problem is that the app does not save multiple login names unless you pay them for it. You have to log out, remove your login information, add the new information, then log back in. Every fucking time.
Or you can do what I said and use a mobile browser that just takes you to the regular login page that saves multiple logins.
Are you talking about Proton or Dashlane?
Nobody mentioned Dashlane in this thread so take a guess.
IMO, my biggest concern is sustainability for Proton.
Focusing on cool, new products over current products is probably going to be unsustainable in the long run. If it isn't economically sustainable, I fear they might give up on privacy-related features just to make some cash. (Just like Mozilla and Google)
Or worse, they might be forced to shut down some services, which is completely backwards and undesirable...
I still stand with the concept of local password management. I'm still not comfortable with my passwords being held out on the cloud.
They said it has offline mode, which should work even if they terminate your account.
Sensible. Could only be more secure if you record them all on flashpaper.
This is more of a convenience compromise.
Lol you have to be kidding. I signed up less than a month ago. Proton Pass's killer feature is it can generate an email address kinda like addy and fastmail do. for example you might chess.1310fj@passinbox.com for chess.com.
It's still fairly rough though. It misses lots of login fields that bitwarden didn't, but I expect it'll improve. In the time I've had it, they addressed a frequently requested feature, which is allowing webapps. It's not an official one, but you can open the extension in a window, copy the url and make a webapp from that. So it feels a little half backed but for the price it really is a solid value.
Also I really like that there's no tinkering required to integrate the fake emails it creates with your proton mailbox. You can reply to an email sent to your fake email address, and the person who sent the email will see it as though it came from your fake address. This can be a pain in the ass.
That said, I've had two websites reject my proton pass emails, netbird.io (which is ironic for a purported privacy focused business), and Oracle cloud, which is not surprising at all.
I tried to sign up with Ente photos and never got a verification code. The only one that didn't accept my proton pass emails. Very ironic, since Ente is big on privavy too
Yeah it really sets the stage poorly. Netbird is messed up in that it accepts the email and makes you think everything is working, except your admin panel doesn't have anything in it. I spent hours troubleshooting before knowing anything was off.
Wow, that's way worse
Yeah. Giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe there's something in their toolchain that's causing it and not a deliberate decision to block proton emails.
Ugh, this is tough. I've been waiting to try to on board my wife from Bitwarden, which has been working well for us for years, but I've been waiting until Pass was at least almost as mature as Bitwarden. But a free year....
You could claim it now and decide whether to use it later.
That's what I think I'm gonna do. You can make a Pass account with a non-Proton email address, right?
personally I wanted to try it out as I was curious about it but after finding out you couldn't just access it via protonmail I dropped it
could someone correct me if I'm wrong but is the browser extension the only way to access protonpass?
At the moment, browser extension is the only way on desktop. And a desktop app is in the works.
On mobile there are apps for android and iOS.
Is this worth trying over Daahlane if I'm Dashlane Premium user already?
I honestly want something like the Mooltipass https://www.themooltipass.com/ - but without all the card-reader bullshit. Something that has a 6-digit easy to enter pin-code, which unlocks the 2-factor, and does the yubikey style authentication thing. But doesn't cost fucking $100 for each key...
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