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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 91 points 11 months ago (26 children)

By that you mean the illegal settlements in the West Bank, and not 'The Jews must be driven to the sea', right?

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By that you mean the illegal settlements in the West Bank

This was the interpretation I upvoted for, so I hope it's what was meant.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 10 points 11 months ago

Oh sweet summer child.

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Palestinians have been repeatedly kicked out of their homes for decades and decades ever since the late 40s, with their lands, homes and lives destroyed over and over again. An Israeli person born into the conflict who hasn't actively supported ethnic cleansing isn't guilty. This is a cursed problem because Palestinians deserve to have all the land back, but there are plenty of innocent Israelis who do not deserve to be robbed of their homes due to the crimes of previous generations.

Since Israel's actions have made a 2-state solution impossible, the only potential just solution would be a single state where both Palestinians and Israelis are free and equal citizens, and Palestinians are paid reparations. This is currently impossible because both populations are immersed in a cycle of violence and desire for revenge. So we should, at the very moment, focus on solutions that seek to immediately stop the continued murders, and hope that this calms down the bloodlust as the months and years come by. I don't see any way in which this is possible without the joint efforts of the historical allies of Israel and Hamas twisting their arms in order to prevent further abuse, and possibly establish a justice system that oversees and judges the crimes from actors of one side against the other.

[–] jerd@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I appreciate this comment. I have had a circular problem trying to determine a way out of the “both sides suck, but right now you suck more”. Now actually convincing the 2 populations this and getting the political will power to enact it is a whole other beast. But for the moment, this internet stranger is on board.

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[–] 9thSun@midwest.social 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Boy what a hoot these comments are

[–] archonet@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I knew coming in here they'd be an absolute shitshow and they have not disappointed a bit

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 27 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Are the Arab nations that expelled the Jews in the 40s and told them to go to Israel, going to give them their homes and citizenship back?

Didn't think so.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (6 children)

If the cartels took complete control of Mexico, stopped all elections, and then stated their goal was to kill all Americans; do you think that we might start patrolling our border a little harder and deliver Mexico a bit of freedom?

The current situation is an absolute disaster and a sad case for innocent civilians who couldn’t even vote out Hamas if they wanted to. But there is a reason that Israel is in the West Bank in the first place, there will never be peace in that region until Hamas is stripped of all power in Gaza. Israel is surrounded by religious extremists on all sides that would genocide them if given the chance.

[–] Dagrothus@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Gaza West Bank and Israel all have to be dissolved. "Give the land back" implies land can be owned at all, which fundamentally violates the right of others to freedom of movement.

Guthrie said it best,

There was a big, high wall there that tried to stop me

A sign was painted said "Private Property"

But on the backside, it didn't say nothing

That side, was made for you and me

What needs to happen is the abolition of Israel and Palestine and the replacement of both with a south levant confederation that absolutely guarantees the equal rights of all citizens, and absolutely cracks down to the draconian nth degree against supremacism or separatism.

The Israelis have ruined the two state solution with their settlements in WB and in the Golan heights, so now they get to live with the consequences of democratic accountability instead of doing the rez shit America pulled where nobody felt like answering if indigenous folks were citizens too until they were demographically outnumbered enough to not retaliate against the politicians that screwed them.

Hamas are not freedom fighters, their the corrupt rez boss family that wittingly or not are the extension of the state's oppression over the people.

Also before anyone tries to cry ~~wolf~~ Anti-Semite, Israel's a major funder of stateside politicians that ferment antisemitic sentiments by tolerating it among their supporters. Why you may ask? Because American Jews rejected Zionism heavily since their state of being in the US served as a direct refutation of the idea that Jews needed their own ethnostate to ever be safe. Israeli Jews often openly contempt American Jews for being "woke" since even orthodox american Jews can be considered more liberal than their European and Israeli counterparts.

Israel wants to make America as hostile to Jews within their borders as possible because every family that flees to Tel Aviv over a swastika painted on the synagogue is another house they get to take from the Palestinians, and another "point" in the score in their vendetta against American Jews having rejected the initial call at Israel's establishment.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

A no state solution? I'm in favor.

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 6 points 11 months ago (19 children)

Well, the first thing has yet to happen.

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