At the risk of sounding bigoted, what are he/him lesbians? And why isn't that just being gay?
You're thinking that it's AMAB female-identifying lesbians. There's AFAB lesbians that prefer he/him pronouns, but prefer the butch/femme lesbian experience. Or a combination or other stuff too.
Man, I never understood the need to microlabel yourself. Just seems weird.
This is (usually) the result of years of not being to openly label yourself, hiding who you are, and feeling alone and not part of a broader community.
Just like a compressed spring will then expand after being let go before returning to a more balanced state, when society slowly gave queer people the space to at least exist openly, people started looking really deeply at "who they are" and "what communities do I belong to" and "how do I find what I want in a sea of diversity" which in turn gave rise to surprisingly specific microlabeling.
The tendency is for this to tone down, with broader categories. But who knows, we can't really predict language and societal change like that.
I saw that in myself actually. I used to look for a very specific label to describe myself with, now I just go with "mostly man I guess"
That would explain why hbt -> hbtq -> htbqi -> hbtqi+ (and probably more that I don't know about).
I was very confused when this started early on, when trying to do right and using the correct label/word, just to learn there was a new letter to the acronym.
I never understood the need to label yourself at all but I mean if it helps that's great I guess
AMAB? AFAB?
Armored Mechanical Assault Battalions
And
Automated Fusion Assault Berserker
Oh! Sounds so obvious now that you say it!
Now thats my kind of lesbian!
90th Mechanical Assault Batalion! Oorah!
Assigned Male/Female At Birth
Thanks!
In your example, is the distinction that you used the word "prefer" for pronouns? So the hypothetical couple are both AFAB and identify as homosexual women but enjoy being called by male pronouns?
No hate intended, just trying to educate myself.
No, I was thinking the latter - the former example with at least one MtF partner should just be lesbians, because they both identify as female, no?
But if they're identifying as a guy, but still identifying as lesbian, doesn't that kind of dilute the fact that they're identifying as a guy?
Taking that gender identity at face value, shouldn't any relationship under it identify as gay/straight (dependent on which partner(s) are FtM)?
Not my pig, not my farm. Imma let the queers be queer and just try my best.
Fair enough. I'm generally a live and let live type of person - but this scenario just seems like a living contradiction to me, so I'm struggling to understand it.
Also, having just looked at my own reply, sorry if my line of questions came off as needlessly confrontational - was not my intention, I was just curious were others line up on this.
Just a person who is a part of the lesbian community but uses he/him pronouns.
Specifically people who we would now describe as transmen (assigned female at birth but identify as male) who are attracted to women (or other transmen) who historical have been considered dykes/lesbians/butches/whatever and thus were part of the lesbian community. A 50 year old person as described above who has always been part of the lesbian community but prefers he/him pronouns shouldn't be excluded now but also shouldn't have to use different pronouns to be part of it, thus he/him lesbian.
Pretty much just a queer history fun fact that happens to be actual people alive today.
Ah, so you would consider that labelling as a kind of carveout for those who would likely have identified as transmen in our current culture, but are so embedded into lesbian culture that it's kinda hard to dissociate with it despite the new identify?
Though I will ask, to identify as a guy but still identify as a lesbian, doesn't that kind of dilute the aspect of identifying as a guy - essentially being one foot out and one foot in?
I don't mean to offend, I'm just not fully understanding it.
I'm trans and ace and this stuff confuses the everloving fuck out of me. A lot of stuff confuses me though, so I don't judge.
This is so confusing. Are their partners lesbian? Lesbians like girls, but these people identify as boys. So only straight women would date them, except they have female tackle, so straight women won't date them, only lesbians partners will do. But lesbians like she/her so we are back to square one. Who dates them?
People who ask them out that they say yes to. I'm a straight man who doesn't have much experience with these kind of things, but I'm pretty sure you're overthinking it
Pan. These folks are pansexual and non-gender conforming.
Beyond that it's a free-for-all.
Whether they prefer pronouns or not is individual to them. Whether they identify as lesbian or not is up to them. Whether they embrace "queer" as a rollup identity or not is up to them.
You're asking all these questions like they care to answer them. They do not. They want to do their own thing and be their own best version of themselves and date like-minded people.
who are attracted to women (or other transmen)
If they are lesbians, shouldn't the be attracted to transwomen rather than transmen?
Hold on, gotta cook dinner and invite pop pop or it just won't be worth the time to explain.
Here, have a switch.
That's a Cisco... There is NO way that is getting there by Christmas...
How expensive is it? Enterprise shit surely is expensive.
More than a Nintendo switch probably, but the Cisco switch has 16 ethernet ports!
Can I be the switch they get for Christmas ๐๐
take em away to horny jail boys
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I really need help understanding this text:
tm?
w = with?
Tm = tomorrow W = with
I had to go back to find tm and w because my brain just filled it in.
tm = tomorrow
w = with
tm = trademark
w = with
w = width
Plot twist, pop pop already knew but then forgot about it.
Guys: "I am in lesbians with you. ;) haha"
Afab He/Him Lesbians: exist
Guys: wait no you can't do that it's a joke
He'll forget anyways
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