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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

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NAACP

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Say Their Names

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[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A correction officer in a supposedly elite unit

And he planted the shiv to cover up his own crime against the inmate beforehand.

Promoted and promoted and promoted; now you have to go back and review every situation this shitbag has been involved in. 20 packs Ramen says he’s been doin this kind of shit his whole career.

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Feds Investigating Drug-Planting Allegations Involving NYPD Officers

Seems to be a problem throughout the New York LE community. Hell, maybe it's a problem in a lot more places than just New York.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Cops wouldn't call it a 'problem'. It's more a tradition.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Seems to be a pattern with LEOs and guards.

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Send him straight to jail.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Damn. Time for his promotion and medal for exemplary service

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

But while he was planting the blade, Rosario, 33, accidentally hit record on his body cam.

So this was only revealed because the bastard made a mistake? Maybe the body cams shouldn't have the ability to be turned off.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

D's get Diplomas

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This community will never lack for posts like this until one day the police profession is strictly regulated with recurring training, minimum entry qualifications, and ongoing behavior requirements. The badge attracts a disproportionate amount of angry beta males, conservative whackjobs, racist power trippers, militia morons, traumatized veterans, and people too dumb to learn a trade. They can’t fire them when they misbehave because there wouldn’t be enough police left. So instead they have circled the wagons and become a closed organization. The catch phrase “to serve and protect” is actually referring to their own. A good old boys club where the first rule is “what happens within the force stays within the force.” You can go on reading these posts everyday, til the end of time wondering if it will change. It won’t. Yea once in a while one of em will be forced to resign or fired if their actions go viral, but they’re learning just to shut their body cams off when they want to plant evidence, assault someone, or execute someone. For the most part it is and will remain a lawless faction of American society beholden to no one and no law.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

regulated with recurring training, minimum entry qualifications, and ongoing behavior requirements

I'd add a couple things: removal of qualified immunity and required professional liability insurance coverage (think malpractice insurance). That gives the market a chance to solve the problem. If they're uninsurable they'll be unhirable.