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[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Obama early in trump's turn: "Trump can't fix this broken economy, he doesn't have a magic wand!"

Obama on Trump's economic performance after his first term: "Yeah, it was pretty good because it was my economy!"

Hmmm... Which is it?

Then of course Biden or whoever was actually in charge in the white house printed ~9x the US dollars in circulation, and killed all the chickens (maybe it was necessary but it sure as hell wasn't something to blame Trump for, of all people). Now every issue is Trump's fault?

And sure, tariffs are actually Trump's first big economic move, and the immediate reaction is a stock panic. But we haven't truly seen the results yet. I wonder what the new cope will be if six months later Trump got most of his demands met, the tariffs are over, and things are looking up again? Are you going to say actually it was Biden's good economy? I'd bet my life savings the answer is yes.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

What are trumps demands agian?

Edit: Is there any amount of data that could show you Obamas economy trended right into trumps?

[–] AynRandLibertarian@lemmy.world 141 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  • Dating an abusive partner
  • Abusive partner ruins your life
  • Date a supportive reasonable partner
  • Get bored with the lack of 'excitement'

repeat

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

"Democrats don't love us enough to tell us how ugly we are every day"

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 141 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh don't worry, Trump is breaking this cycle. This time, no recovery will be possible and no democratic president will be elected.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bonus points that Demo(n)crats may even cease to exist entirely (Trump says his win gives ‘mandate’ for ‘far reaching investigation’ into Democrats).

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Only if we let it happen.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nonsense. We fixed everything by abstaining in the election. Kamala realised she needs the support of the left in order to win, and adopted a socialist platform while moving to impeach Trump.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I honestly thought you were joking

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 day ago

I would never create an account to troll Marxist-Leninists with ridiculous extrapolations of their own claims

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

not every single person of the ~90 million who didn't vote "abstained" based on some high horse principles. you obviously understand that.

political news addicted leftists are a miniscule percent of that 90M which means at most a couple hundred thousand leftists might have "protest voted".

why be angry (and still keep bringing up) the actions of that subset, when you could direct your anger at actual racists and bigots that voted Trump?

i understand that it's more sneeringly smugly self satisfying to scold the former group, but you have way more in common with that subset than with the latter, who actually deserves the most scorn/ridicule. why attack potential allies when a mutual enemy is at the gates?

we need to move on already. the Dems lost, we're all in this together now.

[–] sdcSpade@lemmy.zip 83 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's missing the third dimension. It may look like a circle, but it's actually spiraling downwards.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

America has taken it's post WW2 golden age economic boom and squandered it for unbelievably greedy short termed gains for a miniscule class of people.

My friend likes to say China is playing civ while America is shooting itself in the foot.

[–] AynRandLibertarian@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

definitely spiraling the drain...

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's a bit like Brandolini's law, recovering from a right wing government takes way more energy and sacrifice than the energy and sacrifice needed by the right wing government to destroy everything.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Good people aren't willing to lie in order to abuse populist fears. Fear is such a powerful political motivator. That's why we have shitstains like Trump in office. Short sighted people will give up everything to feel "safe". The reality of our situtation doesn't seem to matter as much as how people feel inwardly.

[–] Ruxias@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

"Destruction is the work of an afternoon; creation is the work of a lifetime." (Paraphrased)

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

One step forward two step backwards.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

"Rome wasn't built in a day, but it was burned in one."

(technically the Great Fire of Rome lasted 9 days, but '9 days' is less pithy)

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except its a lot more complicated than just claiming Biden was "recovering from a right wing government" or that Biden gave "energy and sacrifice". Biden went againt the majority of this country and aided and abetted crimes against humanity. He also did some other odious stuff. Lets stop pretending the dem leadership didnt massively shit the bed for 4 years. And then Harris, amidst rock bottom awful polling about Biden's dumb policies, said she couldnt think of a isngle thing she'd change, to a whole country who wanted change. Thats not even bringing up his out of touch economic messaging and his killing of the defund and reallocate movement.

Its high time we stop lying to ourselves about what happened, or we're even more thoroughly doomed than we already are.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Cool story bro, I never mentioned Biden

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

ah I see, you are saying Biden was also a right wing government. I see. I usually try to think of the dems as the left, but thats not accurate. My bad.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

I didn't talk about US politics, not everything is about you guys

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's never been like what's happening now though, not even close. They're breaking this cycle in the worst way. Plus dems weren't just slow. They're straight up comatose and have their own fair share of grifters further hindering any effective counter measures.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

joe biden made a huge deal about how america had made a great recovery (and honestly kudos to him that he inherited the worst possible situation and made it better) but there was something incredibly tone deaf about acting like the problem was fully fixed and everything was going great. i think he would have been better off saying "i've done this much with a narrow majority. i want to do more to help you, the person making less than $238k, live comfortably, but for that i need more support from congress and more time"

saying everything was going great just told those people struggling it was never going to get better for them. obviously falling for trump is… embarrassing since he's who made everything so awful in the first place (well not the first place. that honor goes to the establishment of a political and economic hierarchy 12k years ago), but still, joe biden opened a door for trump to come back. he opened it a little with his messaging, and opened it all the way by not doing anything to ensure any kind of consequences for doing a coup. what the fuck was everyone waiting around for? the gathering of evidence? why? we all saw it

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

That and the people voting for Trump had no fucking memory of how bad it was...

"We were better under Trump!"

"Really? Not knowing where your next roll of toilet paper was coming from was 'better'?"

The problem was, neither Harris nor Biden encountered having to buy black market toilet paper out of the back of a car in a parking lot so they were unable to use that in their campaigns.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

he opened it a little with his messaging, and opened it all the way by not doing anything to ensure any kind of consequences for doing a coup.

Also not going after price gouging. That and letting Trump go are the two big mistakes of his administration.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

and not listening to his largely pacifist base that they weren't fans of genocide

[–] Riprif@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The anti Israel part of the Democratic party is a tiny vocal fringe.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 22 hours ago

there's a difference between party and base. i'm not talking about the party. i'm talking about the base

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah that too.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

nearly every problem i have with the democrats is that even they know the strategy for winning:

  • connect with the working people through grass roots efforts to connect with people and get votes
  • offer economic populist policies and platforms
  • create consequences for being nazis

but none of those attract big corporate donors, and the democrats care more about having a big purse than winning elections. i'll say that again, but this time enbiggen it. THE DEMOCRATS CARE MORE ABOUT HAVING A BIG PURSE THAN WINNING ELECTIONS. i think the enactors of that scam know exactly what they're doing, however, i think far too many democrats, even democrat voters, have fallen for that they need the big purse to beat the republicans at their game.

the problem is that the two parties are composed very differently and represent different things to their voters. republicans want a big strong daddy to come home and fix everything. democrats want to sit down and have a talk about how we can all fix everything together. these are not compatible visions for the future and they're playing different games.

democrats don't even seem to comprehend their own path to success. you frequently hear about how democrats win by increasing voter turnout. but they don't seem to grasp how to get that. it's actually quite simple. you give people someone they're excited to vote for. the democratic primary system starts in the most conservative states in america and campaign finance tricks people into thinking what the fuck a church full of iowans thinks about elizabeth warren matters at all.

and look. the two parties are bad and worse. once you're past the primary you do have to vote blue no matter who. i'm deeply frustrated with a lot of voters who figured out that the democrats are a scam but didn't figure out that it's still better to vote for them than risk the more dangerous scam. there's a lot of blame for trump being president to go around.

i guess my point is that two few people, top to bottom and on both sides of the political divide, are really paying attention to what's going on. even the people who say it's their job to do that really don't

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago

It's almost like perpetual motion with both sides being complicit in keeping the circular motion going. Capitalism...what can you do?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Economic recovery is slow and uneven thanks to Republicans fighting and stalling every economic measure proposed in order to make Dems look bad and republicans extracting their own concessions from the Dem plan to make the plan weaker and put more money in rich people’s pockets.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the Dem delusion, of course, that just one more compromise with the GOP will reset political relations between the parties to its pre-1990s configuration.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

When Obama elected to reinflate the housing bubble rather than provide affordable housing it set the stage for biden's loss. But the modern housing bubble began with Clinton.

It continued through multiple neoliberal administrations because those people value markets over anything else.

[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We have the same cycle here in Australia with our centre-right Labor and fascist-nazi Liberal parties.

You read that right - in Australia the conservative party is called "Liberal". 1984 level lying...

[–] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because it refers to economic liberalism.

Here in Brazil bolsonaro's party is also called "Liberal Party". Weirdly he was elected when in the Social Liberal Party.

Names don't mean anything in political discourse.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago

you even find that in Hitler's "national socialist" party

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You read that right - in Australia the conservative party is called “Liberal”.

I mean... Everything is upside down there anyway, right?

[–] Sternout@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

That's actually pretty common. In most countries liberal = less taxes, which is considered at least centre right.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Evidence that the American electorate cannot sustain its own democracy.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can replace this with the Union Jack and Democratic President with Labour Government and Republican President with Tory Government.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Although the current Labour government is pretty shit at making people believe they're actually trying to improve things

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah they've got a really communication problem.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

that's an argument for the point lol