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Summary

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn't have to follow the judge's oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn't in writing.

Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing "national security concerns."

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 212 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 25 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.

Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them

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[–] cotus@midwest.social 49 points 21 hours ago (14 children)

Wouldn't Trump just pardon them?

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.

[–] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 19 hours ago

He can't pardon a disbarment, though!

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one."

  • Alexander Hamilton
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[–] bunnyjenkins@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

The same laws that make him President, are the same law in which we allow it

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 39 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 36 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Could they deputize, say, the military?

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Not just the military. I draw your attention to this, emphasis mine

(a) In General. Process—other than a summons under Rule 4 or a subpoena under Rule 45 —must be served by a United States marshal or deputy marshal or by a person specially appointed for that purpose.

Section (b) says:

Enforcing Orders: Committing for Civil Contempt. An order committing a person for civil contempt of a decree or injunction issued to enforce federal law may be served and enforced in any district. Any other order in a civil-contempt proceeding may be served only in the state where the issuing court is located or elsewhere in the United States within 100 miles from where the order was issued.

The line:

a person specially appointed for that purpose.

is interesting because it does not specify who is qualified to be appointed. Now, I am concerned that this language means that Judge Boasberg may only appoint one person, but if he seems it necessary, he could probably get away with appointing more.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Could he appoint one person who then assembles a "task force" of individuals who support them? Or do they have to be each appointed by the judge himself for that specific task?I think one guy isn't going to cut it, but if 500 guys show up on the WH lawn to enforce the court order it might have some weight.

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[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Asking respectively. What else can this judge do in the USA? Law is being blatantly ignored. This is dictatorship.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

He can have members of the Trump administration dragged into court by U.S. Marshalls. And then if necessary, held in contempt of court and imprisoned.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

He'll move up to SLAMS next

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

Well, he criticized them… so. Lesson learned, right?

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 75 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

'You felt you could disregard it?'

Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it's safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were not only completely ignored, but were also being openly mocked on Twitter by Marco Rubio, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it's safe to say that they were right.

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”

He's about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can't even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there's fuck-all this judge can do about it.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 67 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well considering Republicans control every branch of government, they're assuming they can and will get away with it. Even if this goes up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices will let them do what they want. One of them will "dissent" though to try to make it seem like they don't agree. They're probably behind closed doors playing rock, paper, scissors to see who "dissents" each time a hot button topic gets up to them.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Also didn't the Supreme Court just rule that you can't charge the president for crimes made in their official capacity? He can just say it was in his official capacity to ignore the orders so tough titties.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That doesn't mean his actions would stand, it just means he can't be prosecuted for it.

If he fires someone and it's ruled illegal, they get their job back or some very large settlement.

Deported people would be able to return etc.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 15 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

How do they do that? Their enforcers work for Trump.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 28 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They can deputize citizens to carry out the orders too

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Then if the deputies fail you start sheriffizing people.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago

Wahoo it's-a me Luigi

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 171 points 22 hours ago

He didn't feel he could disregard it.

He successfully disregarded it.

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Like at what point does everyone else in the government finally say "ok we have to treat them as treasonous" this is a madhouse full of complacent fools.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

At this point I don't see the politicians being the people to save us. Honestly don't know what the military would do either. They'd probably fight internally until the MAGA component wins or gets squashed.

So much can change so quickly. That's usually how the big changes go, especially when they are unfavorable.

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[–] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 115 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 63 points 22 hours ago

This should have been fixed in the 1800s when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court, but it was ignored and here we are

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 84 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box

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[–] engene@lemmy.ca 63 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 46 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Uh oh! This Judge sounds PISSED! SOON Trump is going to get a STERNLY WRITTEN LETTER! And if they DEFY that? OH Boy! ANOTHER letter will be on the way!

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[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 44 points 22 hours ago

Well if the order wasn't enforced... yes?

These psychos aren't stopped by words.

[–] Shawdow194@fedia.io 32 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What a strongly worded condemnation!

Anyway

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