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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 46 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I get this meme is about scalpers, but the description also applies to logistic chains and stores, our world as we know it literally couldn't function without those. Not to say I'm for capitalism per se, but logistics make the world go round (as flawed as that world may be).

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

To expand a little bit on your comment: The reason that scalpers =/= retail is that initial retail sellers are at the end of the wholesale supply chain, which is the huge logistical market we rely on. Retail scalpers create an uneeded secondary supply chain that's even more exclusive than wholesale. This wasn't nearly the issue it is today until scalpers learned how to code.

Now businesses have no incentive to mitigate the supply issues scalpers introduce because they get a whole host of benefits (guaranteed rapid ROI, simplified logistics or dispatch, reliable product cycles). It's a big part of why you see so many brands going to small 'limited edition' drops/releases lately. Being able to reliably produce known quantities of product that you can be sure of selling 100% reduces depreciation, improves your attractiveness to your vendors and shortens your manufacturing chain.

You can get a single shipment that contains all the materials needed for a given run, without having to source reliable long-term suppliers. Plus if you cant find a certain material at that moment, you can re-tool for what you can find easily (smaller production = smaller production lines = fewer machines) with much less initial outlay. Keeping several designs being prepared at once also means you're much more flexible to supply issues / machine downtime / etc.

There's a ton more perks, as well, but you get the idea.

The tradeoff is that your setup costs are higher and more frequently incurred, but thats pretty easy to mitigate down to near triviality with good management. Also that it's very tricky to get into this position, and if you're relying on FOMO an unpopular product release can take years to finally move all the units.

So what I'm saying is scalpers suck massively and we'd better get used to them because nobody wants to get rid of them except consumers, and fuck consumers amirite c-suite lads?

[–] TychoRC@lemmy.one 4 points 8 months ago

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I found it both informative and unsettling!

[–] ComradeWeebelo@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Globalization wouldn't be as attractive if man in the middle incentive didn't factor into cost of goods sold. Vertical integration (take apple for example) can address that, but it introduced other problems. And globalization as a whole is mostly a good thing.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago

There's a difference between logistics and some cunt buying out all the toilet paper at wal-mart so they can sell it on Craigslist.

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[–] LittleTransPunk@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Landlords are socially acceptable scalpers

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm starting my own small computer store. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast fed up with horrendous prices for low quality hardware and nearly no choice of brands.

This is going to be just an hobby store but I would like to see some return for my time invested.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If I see you at Best Buy, trying to clear the shelf of the latest widget so you can upsell it at your boutique venue for 3x the sticker price, I'm still going to believe you're going straight to extra hell.

If I see you on Temu or Aliexpress, picking up specialty hardware in bulk and then undercutting Best Buy right next door, I'll put a word in with St. Peter when you get to the Pearly Gates.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, I'm an atheist so, for me, its either lights out or hell, if the other side is in any way correct.

I jumped right unto importing. Small scale, mostly consumables at the moment: thumb drives, SSDs, cables, mice, the likes.

I test before I sell; if it fails me, it's not worthy to market to customers: better a returning customer giving me hell to get the best deal out of me than an one time sale and a lasting bad reputation.

Only thing I have to buy localy it's keyboards; we're a small market and it's hard to get our layout in small quantities.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity, who is your supplier? Is there some middle-market wholesaler for this kind of stuff or do you just order it online from a bulk retailer?

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

Online.

For my market, during the pandemic, prices were simply leveled. Importing or buying on local wholeselers was the same.

Currently I can get up to 50% lower prices if I import. And if I go bulk, on some items it gets ridiculous.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good luck with that. But there's practically no money in hardware. We sell things, and our suppliers can't get it to us in bulk for the same price you can pick it up on Amazon. Our customers are technophobes who only buy from us so they can ring us up when they can't plug it in.

Custom software and services are the only places we make money.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago

Thank you for the warning.

[–] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Brick and mortar is rapidly dying... Especially for computer hardware. Look at circuit City, radio shack, best buy... They're either dying or dead. Make sure your market research is really solid!

[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Isn't that literally everything you buy? Nobody sells at cost price and stays in business. Supermarkets, even. Just everything.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is about scalpers. (Which includes Ticketmaster.)

During the height of the pandemic many scalpers were claiming that they were a crucial part of capitalism. That what they were doing was important for the economy.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is a subtle, but fundamental, difference between being a distributor - someone who buys in bulk at Location X and sells retail at Location Y - and a monopoly/cartel - an individual or group that takes control of a critical point in the supply chain and then operates as a monopoly reseller at enormous mark-ups to everyone downstream.

The general distinction is in the degree of markup that your position provides. For inelastic goods/services (staple foods/energy/medical/emergency services) and opportunity-limited services (concert tickets/first-edition prints and collectibles) you can capitalize in a sudden spike in demand to raise prices astronomically.

No better example of this than the Texas electricity grid. Natural Gas power providers run a cartel in our state which allows them to limit how much electricity they generate during periods of peak usage. So when the weather starts cresting 100° and electric demand for A/C peaks, they can charge upwards of $3000/Mwh for electricity that was trading at $15-20/Mwh hours earlier.

[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You seem to be furthering my original point. Here where I am it's our supermarkets, they just got awarded the shonky from choice, for price gouging. That line is blurred. There almost is no line. When we can just see how much one marks it up, we get all up in arms, all the others the original price they pay is hidden, so we don't feel as put out, but it's not as fair a system, in those hidden places, as we imagine, as you see and point out occurs in your power grid.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dear ‘capitalists’ who keep using this excuse to defend what they do: Distribution is different from scalping. One has legitimate costs for what you suggested to keep a brick and mortar business running. The other is fleecing without cost and it’s not exactly for the altruistic reason of ‘just surviving’ nor is it interested in anyone else’s ability to survive. It is the unchecked reason why the planet is in the hole now.

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think this isn't any kind of defense of capitalism. He's just saying that meme isn't specific enough about it being about scalping. "Distribution" also falls into the description that the meme gives.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I’ve seen these kinds of capitalists defend not paying a liveable wage to someone. They are purposely misreading these messages now if they still think ‘no one wants to work anymore’

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[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait until you learn about 80% of amazon sellers

[–] emberwit@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

20% of them sell at a loss?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Their fees are like a wall of nonsense.

I used the calculator to figure out what I could sell things for and what they charge is obscene. You can quickly see why Amazon is an ocean of tatty plastic shit.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

The cost of entering the Amazon marketplace is trivial. The cost of being the first thing a person sees when they search for X is enormous. And since Amazon has its own internal brands, you're often competing against a staple product in a bidding war where the auction house is both a bidder and seller.

This environment encourages tatty plastic shit, because anyone that isn't making enormous margins on their sale isn't able to operate profitably. Its a weird sort of survivors bias in which only Amazon, a handful of well-recognized name brands, and a bunch of shameless scammers can operate profitably.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

There are many people out that think if they make a profit, then by definition they are doing societal good.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

THERE WAS A DEMAND, I AM MEETING A DEMAND!

ALSO, I CREATED THE DEMAND. OOPS.

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[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah, but trying to corner the market on Unicorn themed items is the only reason I keep coming back to Gaia Online now that AI Art scratches my wardrobing itch

[–] spookedbyroaches@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah fuck you New York bodegas!!!1!

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