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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago

It's not a fucking turning point you bunch of shit asshole cowardly journalist. We've already fucking turned you feckless jackasses.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 61 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's been a police state for a long time. We are just now turning it on non-immigrants and white people, so the rest of the population is getting a taste of what black people and minorities have been subjected too for decades.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

I get what you mean re police state and domestic terrorism, but I don't believe blacks and minorities were ever kidnapped and trafficked to foreign death camps, let alone without even being charged with a crime.

In less than a month, the nazi party have already disappeared 1/3 the total number sent to Gitmo the last 23 years.

This is not normal. The USA no longer exists. It is now, unequivocally, a fascist dictatorship.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago

You're right. They weren't trafficked. It used to be acceptable de jure to just kill them here up until the late 1800s and de facto into at least the 1950s.

I agree this is a backslide from the civil rights advancements of the latter half of the 20th century.

It's pretty normal if you draw a line connecting civil rights from 1776 to 2025. The USA absolutely still exists, and among them are the descendants of the people who cheered on presidents like Andrew Jackson. It's been an authoritarian regime for most people. We just got a nice little break sometime after 1960. The current kerfuffle is about the middle class (part of the working class) potentially getting sucked into the oppression. I don't mean this in a hopeless way. I believe the US can pull it together and restore the national spirit that once told monarchists that they can take their authoritarianism and shove it, but it absolutely needs to include any American this time, not just the ownership class.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

In February 2015, Ackerman published a series of articles in The Guardian describing the Homan Square facility as "an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site." Ackerman asserted that the Homan Square facility was the "scene of secretive work by special police units," where the "basic constitutional rights" of "poor, black and brown" Chicago city residents were violated. Ackerman asserted that "Chicagoans who end up inside do not appear to have a public, searchable record entered into a database indicating where they are, as happens when someone is booked at a precinct. Lawyers and relatives insist there is no way of finding their whereabouts. Those lawyers who have attempted to gain access to Homan Square are most often turned away, even as their clients remain in custody inside."

Not offshore, but still.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

I agree, this is beyond anything the last Trump administration did.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

What do you think Gitmo(GTMO) and other military black sites are for?

I don't believe blacks and minorities were ever kidnapped and trafficked to foreign death camps

Historically domestic death camps have been good enough. A prison where people are serving life sentences is a death camp, just a very slow, inefficient one.

Those sent were charged with a crime, but not convincted. The laziness to not even coerce a plea deal as is tradition is the only real deviation from the "status quo".

I do appreciate that the fascist morons are too stupid to realize that the "inefficiencies" they saw were design features not flaws. Allowing for the whole charade to be exposed without having to argue against each individual part of the kafkaesque machine.

In less than a month, the nazi party have already disappeared 1/3 the total number sent to Gitmo the last 23 years.

Can you provide some more specifics+sources on those numbers so I can also reference them later with more specifics?

Remember_the_tooth is spot on, but also glosses over the 20-21st century transition and the litany of bullshit that led to the modern police state. Jim Crow Joe and the 90s crime bill, Bush Jr.'s coup via Bush V Gore and the subsequent formation of DHS, expansion of black sites via the Iraq war, etc.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Trumpistan is not a joke.

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We were halfway there a long time ago. Now we're all the way there, with concentration camps and people being snatched off the streets by masked men. This is the kind of stuff we used to condemn (despite sometime clandestinely supporting in the name of "anti-communism").

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -2 points 16 hours ago

How is that half way?

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 27 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 10 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, because so far it's limited in scale and targeted at non-citizens. Republicans are aiming to change that, but have not yet

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Unwanted resisting individuals have already received threatening mail to leave the US even as natural citizens. They have changed it already. It is happening right now.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Have you read any black authors writing about their expience of being targeted and brutalized at the hands of police?

We've used the police to target brown people, including citizens, for hundreds of years..

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

They're not being shipped to El Salvador with no recourse to the US courts though, which is what's starting to happen.

US policing is already brutal, but is in theory somewhat constrained by the legal system. What's going on is tossing out those few, imperfect constraints

[–] gargolito@lemm.ee 6 points 14 hours ago

This is like one of those "downloading" progress windows that get stuck on 99% for hours, you hit "cancel" and the download had been done all along.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 23 points 19 hours ago

We invented modern policing. It literally did not exist. We are the original police state.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Da fuk?

The US has been a police State since they hired thugs to catch people with dark skin and throw their asses back into slavery.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

WHY would He Accept the SUPREME COURTS ILLEGAL Ruling? That's like Accepting the POPES Non Catholic RULINGS!

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Don't even get me started. I see red when the constitution illegally tries to limit the power of the presidency.