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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 152 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

Before you reply to me directly please understand:

  1. The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
  2. The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
  3. Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
  4. The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
  5. Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
  6. Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
  7. Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die

You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.

[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I would try to guess your country but there are too many that the US has done this to

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[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Have you considered being born to a wealthy white family in the West? I hear it's much easier

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, but you're a foreigner, so your life doesn't' matter.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 121 points 3 weeks ago (31 children)

"Both sides bad" is why we have Trump.

Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage. Environmental laws have been all Democrats. If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn't have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 75 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

No, the DNC is why we have trump. It’s on them.

Obama wasn’t perfect at all, but his platform was at least change and progress. While he was originally against gay marriage he did listen to the public and change for re-election. If the DNC listened to the public instead of fighting against progress that would be great. But like… Biden was the throw away to conservatives for Obama’s VP to “balance out” Obama being progressive….And now he was their best idea on what to do for a better future? It’s pathetic, and demonstrates the above.

No one is trying to say Biden was worse than trump. They’re saying the DNC is what even allowed trump to exist, by being greedy fucks who care more about their handlers than the American people and running the worst candidates they can. “Nothing will fundamentally change” is the dumbest, most “fuck you don’t bother to vote for me” fucking campaign I’ve ever heard.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 57 points 3 weeks ago (52 children)

Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage.

Gay marriage was legalized at the federal level by a conservative-leaning Supreme Court. The only time a Democrat acted on same-sex marriage nationally was when Bill Clinton banned it by signing DOMA in 1996.

Environmental laws have been all Democrats.

Nixon created the EPA.

If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn't have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.

If Democrats passed legislation, Biden's achievements couldn't be undone through executive order.

The parties are not the same, especially now that one of them is openly fascist, but you're giving Democrats credit for things they did not do. Also, the meme doesn't say they're the same, it describes the rachet effect, which is an accurate representation of how Democrats behaved on multiple issues. Look at how their economic policies have changed over the last 30 years, or how their views on immigration policies have changed since Trump was elected.

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[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 78 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)
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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 77 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Dear Liberals,

  1. I am so glad I can't see the bullshit from lemmy.world on my server

  2. Your economic system guarantees fascism. You can't vote your way out of it. Capitalist modes of production inevitably concentrate power and lead to fascism. It is unavoidable.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 36 points 3 weeks ago

actually this time it'll be different, we just won't have another crisis of capitalism that requires the stamping out of revolutionaries

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 68 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is why revolution and working class organization is necessary.

Also funny when people complain about Leftists critiquing the Dems. Pre-election you said to wait, now it's post election and the same complaints arise.

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Democrats commit genocide and pretend to be sad about it. Republicans commit genocide and post the 🤣 emoji

[–] Lemmynated@lemmy.zip 48 points 3 weeks ago

Democrats commit genocide and post the🙏 emoji

Republicans commit genocide and post the 🤣 emoji

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

gotta say, I'm extremely glad .world defederated from Hexbear. viewing this thread over here is night and day from looking at it on .ml and seeing The Smartest People in The Room say "ahh, so you just support trump then, got it smuglord "

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'll never understand why those people quit reddit. What could their problem be with it?

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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

LOL I'm thinking the same thing, I looked at it logged on out .ml and its chock full of fantasy thinking

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

if I can't criticize Dems before the election (that just ends up supporting trump) and I can't criticize Dems after the election (that just ends up supporting trump), when CAN I criticize them? it seems like they just don't want me criticizing them at all!!

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What I learned from the memes I posted is that liberals just want a single party state

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[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago

Remember when everyone was terrified of ron desantis because he was "as evil as trump but a lot smarter"?

It's a great way to plan for when Trump dies and libs need to scold people all over again.

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[–] NovaOG@lemm.ee 58 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I try to remind people that we have no "Leftist" party or even a "Centre left" party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There is nothing more cringe than seeing americans debating wheter they're fascist or not due to X or Y politician rhetoric when they have been dropping bombs abroad for their entire existence.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 47 points 3 weeks ago

The Democratic party is the Graveyard of Social Movements

[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

This fact doesn't really invalidate the initial statement though.

We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn't an endorsement of the Dems, just reality

I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won't come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.

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[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 3 weeks ago (97 children)

You had a choice OP

  1. Vote to maintain a bad status quo
  2. Vote to make things a billion times worse via fascism
  3. Start a revolution

Instead you chose secret option d. Make 'both sides equally bad' memes to justify the acceptance of fascism.

Always vote against the fascist. Or revolt.

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[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can always count on @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org to get most rabbid libs stirred up and face their own contradictions (without taking away any insights from the posts themselves anyway lol)..

Literally every post that just puts the quiet part loud upsets them, lol. Please keep it up, love to see it.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

it's always funny to see the redditor libs be like "this instance is so Reddit!" with zero self awareness. Why did they even leave Reddit lmao

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[–] fluppy@lemm.ee 35 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

The absolute highest priority in American politics should be getting rid of the 2 party system. I’m not going to pretend to know how exactly, but I think a good step in the right direction would be some form of a ranked voting system.

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

From an outsider's perspective it seems like the Democrats behave like that because the US electorate is genuinely right-wing and need pandered to.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Democrats spent their entire life understanding what FPTP is and their entire political understanding hangs on explaining it to other people any time Democrats get criticized.

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