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Due to recent concerns surrounding feddit.uk's enforcement (or lack thereof) of policies against transphobia, and lemmy.blahaj.zone's unilateral defederation of that instance, it's clear we need to take action in order to protect our users.

For context, please see the following threads:

feddit.uk has been defederated (via blahaj)

Emperor (feddit.uk admin)'s response

Hexbear thread with further context and discussion

Seeing as the feddit moderation team's policies clearly do not align with our own stances on transphobia, bigotry, and reactionary rhetoric generally, we are considering two different options, with feedback requested for whichever route you would prefer (NOTE: we are primarily concerned with how trans users and other marginalized groups feel):

ukkk - Unilaterally defederate from feddit.uk due to lax enforcement of rules against transphobia and their admin citing the recent UK anti-trans court ruling as one of the reasons for this

england-cool - Remain federated with the instance at large while banning their admins, mods and any transphobic users, along with those who violate Hexbear CoC generally (the same way we handled issues with dbzero a while back)

We want to communicate these discussions we've been having behind the scenes to the userbase at large and allow those most impacted to give their input on how to proceed. Please give any feedback below.

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[–] take_five_moments@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Seeing as the feddit moderation team's policies clearly do not along with our own stances

lmao spelling mistake

ukkk

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago
[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago
[–] Babs@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

england-cool would be very funny imo

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

ukkk Send a fucking message

[–] moondog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago
[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is something wrong with average angloids at UK both real life and online that are loud with respect to their transphobia when even comparing to north america from what I noticed. ukkk

[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

I'm trans; I say fuck 'em

[–] Sulv@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

ukkk

Tolerance of intolerance, etc.

ukkk just because I almost never see a good take from feddit.uk users anyway. The good ones can or should just join Hexbear anyway, or Lemmygrad if they want more federation

[–] Beetle@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

ukkk ukkk is yuk

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't think I've ever interacted with anyone from fedddit. What communities do they have?

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the one i seen people from hexbear interact more is an eu comm, the UK general one and one called fedimemes

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I do like fedimemes

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[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not voting either way here. But I'm further of the opinion that we are still attempting to compromise by having two mutually exclusive goals in one instance - Propagandising libs and having a safe space for our comrades. Achieving both on the same site doesn't really seem possible.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

I do all my propagandizing on Lemmy.ml, Hexbear is useful for those we can manage to bring over here but is more valuable as a safe space for our comrades than for agitprop.

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[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago
[–] someone@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

england-cool I think maintaining the ability for people here to agitate there is important.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ukkk

defed gang keeps winning uphold socialism in one lenmy thought maduro-katana-1stalin-gun-2

[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ukkk I actually wanted to title my post "We need to defederate from Feddit." But I was a little baby coward and felt bad.

innocence

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago
[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ukkk

Deeper ThoughtsI, personally, prefer england-cool, because I think opportunities to educate are good and, when they fail, bullying is fun. And, the less of the fediverse we connect with, the more bigotry is allowed to fester.

But, ukkk is probably the healthy direction for our corner of the fediverse. I want my comrades to feel safe and supported. I think that "we gotta consider how to interpret blatant government transphobia" is a disgusting response from the mods, and that attitude is rapidly gonna turn feddit into another nazi bar. While we can engage and oppose bigots, we cannot change another site's culture when it's being poisoned from the top. The dbzero move was funny, and correct, because that instance has an anarchist tendency, and their userbase's interests overlap with the hexbear mission. A site with an identity based on geographic happenstance does not share that overlap.

spoiler Deeper spicy problematic thoughts Honestly, props to blahaj. I kinda want to refederate with them; give us a fresh batch of libs to spar with, encourage them to chase the chasers out, show their trans and anarchist users what real (as in honest, not as in world) solidarity can look and feel like. They like giving tankies shit, we like giving libs shit; but I think given the political realities of the world today it might be time for a slightly bigger tent.

[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago
[–] Inui@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ukkk

Every nation/country-specific instance can go, tbh. They always have the worst users.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ukkk but trans women are the ones getting the vast majority of abuse and if the ladies wanna tussle i'm down to tussle

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago
[–] LisaTrevor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ukkk too much extra work just to keep around a few users who might be able to hang with us. if the instance allows transphobia, that's just more transphobia for us to potentially see an clean up ourselves, with no real way of addressing the root cause of it if it does end up becoming a problem. save yourselves the headache and ban it

[–] Mallow@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago
[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

ukkk

Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio, outright horrible comments will be removed.

Shitty ass rule that just means transphobia and other bigotry is acceptable as long as it's a ”subtle” dogwhistle.

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I say try england-cool but ukkk the first sign of it not working.

[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

ukkk they can suck me

[–] SockOlm@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] whatnots@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] mendiCAN@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

ukkk

I'd rather err on the side of my trans homies bein safe.

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The British have no real value to add to any conversation. If they want to be part of the federation, choose an instance that doesn't revolve around TERF island

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ukkk

if they aren't good enough for shark site they're not good enough for bear site

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[–] TheDeed@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

ukkk

There are only two other instances worth being federated with, and this site should always prioritize bring a safe space for marginalized people.

[–] awth13@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] dragongloss@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

:ukkk:

(i'm trans fyi)

[–] Wake@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago
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