hexbear

first to make their admins seethe
24 hours later because it's the right thing to do for our users

The situation for my trans siblings in the UK is absolutely dire rn. When the courts and the governments are out to strip them off their rights, they need solidarity, not backstabbing. Reacting to these developments by an internal discussion if transphobia should now be allowed on the instance means the admins have already chosen barbarism.

'ate transphobes

'ate the UK

'ate blood sauage

love my comrades

Simple as

I dont think we should be taking into account whatever blahaj does before making our own deciaions, but i also dont think we need to discuss defederating from an instance chock full of loosely moderated reactionaries

No one in the world should ever have to speak to a British person

why not use this emotes instead so we dont over use dean too much?

defederate feddit.UK

keep federation and ban their admins. mods and transphobic users

No more half measures, walter

down for whatever, but i'd also like to forward a relentless bullying campaign as an option until we do whatever it is we do

for funsies

I'm called enough slurs as it is already

They don't ban the transphobes.

If, at some point, they stop treating transphobia like a moral dilemma and have a track record of moderating it right away, maybe we can reconsider

If even blajah can't tolerate them they have no business being federated with us

I am not a member of any marginalized group but i want to defederate from as many instances as possible.

I'm not voting, but I just wanna say, in a reasonable society, opposing someone's rights would get you beat up

I don't think I've ever seen one of them on our local comms so I don't really care to weigh in one way or another.

I will say having someone in a position of authority with the name "Emperor" is incredibly sauceless. If you're in control of something online your name should either be like "Dave" or "Weepo Gleepo"

It’s called TERF Island for a reason. Make them paddle if they want to leave

It’s clear they’ve made their choice on where they stand. The time and need for a multipolar Lemmy has long since arrived.

As much as it would be nice to have around for the few posts that are relevent to me I'm gonna hae to go with just because of the excuse. Not only does the court case change nothing, but even if it did they should be enforcing their current anti-transphobia rules until they've reached a decision on how to implement it. They aren't, and are holding up an irrelevent court case as an excuse.

The admin's response is just very strange. Why does British law matter here? No one expects or wants forum rules to have a formal legal basis. It's something you make and enforce based on what kind of community you want to have, and if they're fine with transphobia because it's legal to be a transphobe, they clearly don't want the kind of community we do and we should defederate.

Big

We should 100% detach from any instance that harbors transphobes.

once again i am asking moderators to allow weighing in without requiring users to use site emojis. Jerbora does not support emojis and I am therefore unable to participate

i refuse to be outflanked by blahaj lmao. have we acquired the nuclear warheads yet? britannia delenda est

Fuck a Nazi TERF instance. And that user in question with the “adult human female” dog whistle bullshit can face the fucking wall.

I dont want to expose my community to abuse, but i also want to fight

I just like seeing the British flag burn. Tiocfaidh ár lá.

I'm not trans, and my vote goes to whatever the trans community prefers.

if they defederate from us for being pro-trans, that looks worse for them than us preemptively defederating. Now we know to agitate around that specific issue and it's a good time to confront britishers in their home threads. I'm fine either way but think we could do something funny which makes them show their ass+hair more.

The Supreme Court decision, as I understand it, shouldn't even effect the instance — it is a law which states that trans women are not legally considered women, such that the law doesn't mandate discrimination but allows it. Given the funders of this campaign of hate, it's pretty clear this is meant to target women's toilets and changing rooms and to "confuse" "well-meaning" managers in to banning transgender women from women's toilets and changing rooms "in the name of the law".

This would be an easy choice if I was making it.

banning the db0 admins was funny

zero tolerance for fedditor freaks

All white english to be banned, all goes according to plan

No tolerance. Feddit.uk can oust their mods and admins themselves or move to different servers.

Assuming we defederate, how long will we have between the decision and the defederation itself? Because once we defederate, post edits and deletions won't federate; changes to profile picture, display name, or bio won't federate; and account deletions won't federate, right? Will we ask the Feddit.uk mods to purge Hexbear profiles or?

Even though blahaj is lame, they were right to do this.

Also campaign to refederate with blahaj.

I'm fine with defedding them because I don't recall ever seeing a non-annoying post from there (mostly just the libs and chauvinists in their Buy European comm and formerly some cryptofash comm/clout farmers that are now banned here.)

Buuuuuuut, I will say we have very little to go on on this topic besides just bad optics and the fact that this one admin ghosted Ada for a couple days, and I think people are jumping to conclusions without really understanding the context (not all of which is even available). And even Ada is saying they will refederate if the policy is clarified to be definitely not allowing transphobia in dogwhistle form.

There is no link to the offending comments because ada doesn't want to trigger "brigading" against anyone, even a transphobe. I don't doubt it exists and wasn't removed promptly by mods but the context would really help make this situation clearer to me (plus the transphobe deserves whatever attention they get for this)

The feddit admins also have clarified that they at least do not intend to allow transphobia (not that this is enough on its own, but it's relevant). What they are "considering" is how to deal with this comm of theirs which has a rule that basically boils down to "bad take = downvote, heinous shit = ban/remove". The mods of that comm basically thought they could get by with just social pressure (downvotes, dunking in replies) for certain kinds of "disappointing" behavior that didn't rise to the level of instant removal.

Now, that's lib shit, and was destined to fail after contact with bad faith bigots, fascists, etc. but they don't seem to put transphobia in that "just disappointing" category, and admins are seemingly reconsidering even allowing that comm rule to stand (in my reading of the posts) in response to the wave of transphobia brought on by the recent court ruling. I believe that is what they are saying, not what everyone here is assuming, that they are considering allowing transphobia because of the court ruling.

I'm of the opinion that if they make the right call (that comm rule has to go, or at least can't apply to bigotry, even in dogwhistle form), we should stay fedded. We gain users from exposure to other instances and people realizing we're cool and not a boogeyman, which is good for the community, so we shouldn't defed at the drop of a hat.

If they don't make the right call, then defed away. I won't be mad either way, they contribute very little to our instance, but its the principle of the thing, wouldn't want to punish them for ultimately growing and making the right call.

edit: I also find it important to note there's only been like 2 or 3 mod actions from hexbear against feddit.uk users in the past 2 weeks. That's a very manageable amount, and the only instance of transphobia specifically appears to have been dealt with by feddit.uk's admins themselves (siteban)

I haven't interacted with that instance much but I've enjoyed their movies posts and stuff so far.

Otherwise, I really don't know much about the issue and I'm not trans so another vote supporting what the majority of our trans comrades want is cool with me.

We defeded from blahaj.zone for the same reason. It would be pretty hypocritical to stay federated with them, especially since the transphobia

is even worse. There’s just no excuse for not banning someone who calls trans women "it".

Seeing as the feddit moderation team's policies clearly do not along with our own stances

lmao spelling mistake