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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago

So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they've basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.

Feels like I'm watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.

[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 20 points 3 hours ago
[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 hours ago

Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

It got closer overnight.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 19 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn't have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.

I strongly support mandatory voting. If you're against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I'm no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn't be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I'm still quite bitter about it

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.

If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 2 hours ago

Well I'm sure they'll change the status quo that favors them this time.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

The latter. This ghoul is not going away.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?

[–] Isaac@waterloolemmy.ca 12 points 2 hours ago

Split the right like the left? Sorry, I can only get so erect

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

FUCK OFF BACK HOME PIERRE HAHAHAHAHAHA 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 36 points 6 hours ago (8 children)

A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.

So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can't even get elected in his own riding.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Trump won the election for the liberals more than anyone else.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Nah, the Liberals deserve the bigger credit. I don't necessarily think they could have won without Trump shitting the fan for Conservatives but their actions created the necessary conditions for the win: 1) Drop Trudeau; 2) Don't pick Freeland, pick a white middle age man from the finance industry; 3) Get rid of the consumer carbon pricing; 4) Focus on the economy instead of progressive values. Without any of these, it would have been a CPC win even with Poilievre wearing a MAGA hat.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

pick a white middle age man from the finance industry

"We won! What did we win? ... fuck, shit."

Focus on the economy instead of progressive values

What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?

American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 3 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago) (1 children)

American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.

Carney has a few advantages over Biden: he is actually liked by true Liberals (so far), he's not senile and landed the job just because he had decades in the party (on the contrary, he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves), and he has a nationalist movement timed nicely for him.

That said, it's still true that...

What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?

if this tariff bullshit intensifies, Canada will face a recession under Carney and the country will turn to a conservative government - one that will open the doors for American imperialism, bails out corporations, and cuts services that would save lives of the people that will end up in the streets after losing their jobs. I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 16 minutes ago

he is actually liked by true Liberals

:-/

he’s not senile

:-)

he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves

🤮 I have never actually seen a "business-man" candidate that does well on the merits above the office of mayor. Even then, "business guy" mayors tend to be some of the most shamelessly corrupt and despicable people to touch the office.

But I guess he's one-for-three, which is better than Biden.

I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.

The nature of liberal politics is knowing you're on a pendulum ride and making the best of whatever time you've got. Far too often, I see liberals insist they can ride the pendulum through the conservative arc by just pretending at conservative politics for a few years and then going back to being liberals again a few years later. Conservatives, by contrast, leap at the chance to inject every right-popular policy they can when they're in office and then scream about obstructionism as they lose popular support.

The consequence of these two strategies executed in cycle is a country that keeps getting ratcheted to the right by degrees. A country - like America - was broadly on board with gay rights and carbon caps and universal public health care and public university education twenty years ago. Now we're obliterating elementary schools, green-lighting coal ash dumping, and hunting transgender people for sport.

If Carney is going to waste the next few years, Canada is going to be even more fucked for his nominal victory than the UK is looking as it goes into a 28% Reform Party cycle.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.

You're not thinking like a Conservative MP. Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership. We're now closer to a two party system, and Conservatives benefit from this tremendously. CPC ate the PPC. I'm 100% sure that they're chucking this loss to bad luck with Trump timing, they had to reinvent themselves in 3 months. With 2 years of planning (and bootlicking down south), they'll be better prepared and Poilievre is their winning strategy. In this cycle, the CPC successfully FPTP'ed the NDP and the Greens out of existence. They're well positioned to a minority govt with Bloc in a few years.

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[–] el_muerte@lemm.ee 47 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don't have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world's ills to "wokeness," but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 22 points 7 hours ago

Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader

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