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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh suffered a resounding defeat on election night, losing his own seat, his party reduced to a single-digit seat count.

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[–] AlexLost@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

While I was not a huge fan of Jagmeet, I don't think he was a bad leader. The Federal NDP had a tough go at this election as I am sure many people who would traditionally vote NDP voted to keep conservatives out of power and marked the Red Box. I certainly did.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

They were losing popularity before the elections were called though. The losses are because of the circle around the flag effect, but their unpopularity is not.

[–] calavera@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Is this guy the one who said people are stupid?

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 126 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry, wasn't aware.

I usually post CBC, but they break metadata embedding on Lemmy.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here friend! Some of the Non Canadian owned new outlets and the Canadian owned when reading getting your information.

[–] PsychoNaut@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Where do Globe & Mail and Toronto Star sit?

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Globe & Mail and Toronto Star are currently, Canadian owned, but can be acquired (by foreign interest).

P.s. none of the Canadian owned news outlets in the infographic can be acquired.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What makes those two different from the rest? Why can they be acquired?

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Any for-profit organization (e.g. Globe & Mail and Toronto Star) can be acquired simply by buying shares. We've seen this with the Hudson Bay, for example.

The featured media outlets in the infographic are either government owned, or non-profit. You can't acquire the government, and a non-profit structure doesn't have shareholders.

Makes sense, thanks!

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Owned and manipulated by our own oligarchs

[–] notsure@fedia.io 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

first past the post will kill you as easily as it killed Estats Unis

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Estats Unis

Γ‰tats-Unis, my dude.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 0 points 10 hours ago

this is what you argue about?

[–] kodoku@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i think they wrote it in catalan, not french

[–] notsure@fedia.io 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] kodoku@beehaw.org 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

yes, sorry for deviating

i agree wholeheartedly, fptp is a relic that should be disposed of, but we shouldn't forget that trump won the popular vote the second time (it's crazy we even have to distinguish between a popular vote and the actual results), so switching to a fully proportional system is just one step of many to take, i feel

[–] notsure@fedia.io 2 points 4 hours ago

with less than 31 per cent of the vote...keep your targets aligned....

[–] notsure@fedia.io 1 points 4 hours ago

i'm not disagreeing, just amplifying, i hope....

[–] small44@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like Singh but the results speaks for itself. There is no chance of NPD growing under him despite him doing a great job in my opinion. I am glad that he thought about people before the party and himself

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

I think he'll have a great legacy in hindsight. The important policy accomplishments of the NDP while he was leader will hopefully last for generations.

For comparison, what policy accomplishments have the official opposition had in the last ten years, and what accomplishments will they have under a Carney government? The CPC has more than 10Γ— the number of seats the NDP does now, but as a party they have had a lost decade in terms of policy impact whereas the NDP has scored big wins.

The NDP will hopefully have a comeback next election. I would guess they will.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 60 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I feel sad for the guy because he really did care and worked hard. He was a good dude.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

That’s not enough in politics, sadly.

Politics is war by other means. It’s every bit as complex and strategic, it’s just not as obvious.

The NDP has been lost in the wilderness as a party for a long time. They’ve spent far too much energy and credibility complaining about vote-splitting and electoral reform. They haven’t done the serious work to present themselves as a credible alternative to the Liberals, the way Jack Layton did.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He had his time and he did delivered some good things, but it's defintely time for new ideas and more charismatic leaders. He was the most unpopular leader in this election cycle.

[–] small44@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago

I agree generally agree with you but charisma is so subjective. A lot of people think that trump is charismatic but to me he isn't t all. Many think Carney is not charismatic but he is to me.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Jagmeet was plenty charismatic; and earnest, too. But while I worried about his focus, really he bounced off a glass ceiling; and then found slagging an ally in campaign ads was detrimental to both. (and let's talk about how uncharacteristic THAT was)

But he presented well as someone with decent motivations, and his causes were generally on the side of regular Canadians, as you'd expect from the oranges. He had his best party and just misstepped while puppet-mastering Justin.

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[–] cybirdman@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

While I agree that change is necessary, I feel like NDP as a whole needs to change strategy. It's like every single promise they make is about throwing shade on another party, or saying they will fix something liberals did, but rarely any actual constructive or original ideas. They need to come up with their own identity instead of basing it on the opposite of another.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

rarely any actual constructive or original ideas

My mom's getting some dental work, thanks to his original idea.

They need to come up with their own identity

They HAVE an identity: small-biz heroes, middle-class champions, lift-all-boats tide. This has been their identity for decades.

instead of basing it on the opposite of another.

You confusing the orange with the blue?

[–] jloewen@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I mostly agree with agenda of the NDP and also with Singh but I also noticed that he started bashing the liberals more than usual in the last couple of month. I live in Manitoba and hear often official ads from the Conservative party in radio about things they blame on Trudeau. In my opinion this needs to stop, this is not professional.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

That you think this means the NDP is not getting their message out.

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[–] discomatic@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

I loved him, but he tossed Jessica Wetz under the bus and the next day, he was posting thirst traps on TikTok.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (10 children)

On Jan 1st, the 3 major canada-wide parties were:

  • Liberal, headed by Justin Trudeau out of Papineau
  • Conservative headed by Pierre Poilievre out of Carleton
  • NDP headed by Jagmeet Singh out of Burnaby South

On May 1st the 3 major parties will be:

  • Liberal, headed by Mark Carney out of Nepean
  • Conservative headed by Pierre Poilievre(?) out of ?
  • NDP headed by ? out of ?
[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NDP aren't even a major party anymore with 7 seats, sadly

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're not an "official party", but they still got 6% of the vote. But, because of FPTP they only got 2% of the seats. Bloc Quebecois got 6.4% of the vote and 6.7% of the seats. There are still a lot of people out there who would want to vote NDP, but who voted Liberal to achieve "anybody but Conservative". The plan worked, but I think they'd like some electoral reform.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4jd39g8y1o

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I completely agree to be clear.

But "major party" means something in election parlance, and unfortunately because of all the required strategic voting, it means NDP won't be at the next debate.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

all the required strategic voting,

Much of BC was lost through three-way ties that the blues won by a nose. It seems that, for some ridings, strategy wasn't strong enough.

If two Oranges 'cross' to Red to give Mark a mandate, can they 'cross' back before the next election?

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I hope the fact that both the NDP and the LPC got screwed in BC on so many ridings causes their hopeful coalition government to actually implement voting reform this time.

[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, this might actually be convincing to those in power now. The eternal problem with electoral reform is: why would you change a system which you just won with?

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Thanks for finally doing the right thing, Jagmeet! It only took your complete and utter defeat and losing official party status... but I guess it's better late than never. (Please elect a socialist leader now.)

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Not surprised he is stepping down. A very tough night.

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