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4 fundamental forces (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
 

Made this meme while studying CP violation in weak interactions... weak force why cant you be normal?? :cry:

Credit for the image on the right: KhezuG on DevianArt

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[–] will_a113@lemm.ee 126 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Shouldn’t gravity be like a tiny, vaguely dragon-shaped worm off in another field?

I mean messing with the strong force in a fistful of atoms gets you a nuclear bomb. Meanwhile, my old, achy self can jump up and resist against a whole earth’s worth of gravitational force.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While that is true, for how long can you resist gravity? Gravity is the endurance hunter of the fundamental forces. Sure, you can lift your arm and resist the entire earth's gravity. But for how long, before you succumb to gravity's irresistible pull?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

resisting gravity is super easy, as evidenced by the fact that most things aren't black holes.

[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

Perhaps the gravity head should be a snail then

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Au contraire, mon frere. "Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space."

if you have enough mass moving quickly enough, someone's gonna have a real bad day. Gravity is fantastic for getting a lot of mass moving very quickly, it's why space missions slingshot around planets to get from A to B instead of burning propellant straight there. Even dropping tungsten rods from orbit can get you atom-bomb-sized explosions, and if you had any means of (even weakly) accelerating them before that, gravity would help further accelerate them.

That, and have you seen the amount of propellant required to overcome gravity? Compare that to the amount of fissile material you need to make a viable nuclear device. It's peanuts. A (small) nuke might as well be a rounding error compared to the amount of fuel you need to overcome gravity and leave earths orbit, gravity is that much of a fuck.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That, and have you seen the amount of propellant required to overcome gravity? Compare that to the amount of fissile material you need to make a viable nuclear device. It's peanuts.

You inadvertently argued against your point. It takes only a few kilograms of fissile material to generate the energy needed to escape the gravitation of the 6 billion trillion kilograms gravity of earth.

But not really because you only compared chemical energy to fission.

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[–] will_a113@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I was more just speaking to how it’s many orders of magnitude weaker than the other 3 forces. Though it does work on an infinite scale, so maybe it ought to be a tiny but unbelievably long vaguely dragon-shaped worm thing.

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[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You didn't really overcome it though. After 2 seconds you got pulled right back.

[–] will_a113@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup. But try pulling a proton out of an atom for 2 seconds.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

idk, man. that gravitational sigularity over there would like to have a word with you.

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[–] muzzle@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Are you kidding? The strong force depends on colours and increases with the distance, how is it not the derpy one?

The weak interaction is just electromagnetism if the photons had mass (and broke CP and flavour simmetry, yeah).

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Look man, the more I hear this argument the more I want to get into a Ph D program to figure out a better way to describe how fucking weird the Strong force is.

Sure, it "increases with distance" but the amount of energy you put in separating two particles bound by the strong force increases the probability of creating a new particle from the vacuum and then that distance snaps instantly. It has a practical limit if it is within the bounds of spacetime.

Edit: sorry I hit save before I finished

So not only is it special strong, if we define it with the only known things we can define anything with, it breaks all sorts of other things. And since the entire universe isn't bound together into one tight strongly held particle possibly means that the only reason the universe exists at all is because defining the strong force forced particles out of nothing.

[–] sunoc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Please do! Us physics enthusiasts laymen need ANSWERS ! :D

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Color is just a word for a quantum property, not actual color.

I mean, increasing with distance isn't that bad, since it only increases upto a point and goes out of range.

I like that its analogous with springs and all, which also increases force with distance from mean position

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[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Gravity should be the derpy looking one.

[–] Lucien@mander.xyz 25 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, definitely. Don't know why the literal weakest force in the universe is depicted as some mega dragon.

[–] sga@lemmings.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maybe it is because being so weak, it allows things to be come together, and eventually be strong enough, by power of family.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then it should be Vin Diesel...

[–] muzzle@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Gravity bends the geometry of spacetime itself, it's pretty eldritch to me.

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[–] quilan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For some further mind fuckery on the subject, I highly recommend this video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkH1citHtgs. Dude never misses in interesting content.

[–] loaExMachina@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a matter of scale, but gravity is often considered the weakest force. In quantum physics, it's so weak it's often impossible to measure.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The weak force is super cool actually

[–] Maroon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know about Gravity being the derpy one, but it sure is the most annoying AF. Stuff keeps falling off the nightlamp when I reach for it, or I have to retrieve something moderately heavy from the back of the top shelf and it ends being a hazard to health.

Nah... F#*k gravity.

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