I'll take "Dyson sphere-level douchebags for 300" : risa

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In Mark A. Altman and Edward Gross' oral history book The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years, From The Next Generation to J.J. Abrams by Edward Gross and Mark A. Altman, Farrell explained why she left DS9. "The problems with my leaving were with Rick Berman," Farrell explained. "In my opinion, he's just very misogynistic. He'd comment on your bra size not being voluptuous.... That stuff was so intense, especially the first couple of years." The actors signed six-year contracts, so leading into the seventh and final season, Farrell asked for her role to be recurring, telling Gross and Altman she would've appeared in 13 out of the 26 episodes.

"Rick Berman said I was hardballing him," she said, but characterized her own desire to "just have a conversation." The negotiations got nasty, however. Farrell said a junior producer told her without Deep Space Nine she would "be working at K-Mart." She also said the producer would call her right before shooting scenes to ask if she'd made the decision to sign a new contract. "Basically," she said, "he was trying to bully me into saying 'yes.'" Behr, the showrunner by this point, said he was completely in the dark about Farrell's trouble with Berman. He implied that he would've stopped her firing from happening at all or, possibly, have left with her.

https://www.cbr.com/star-trek-why-terry-farrell-jadzia-dax-left-ds9/

[–] Damage@feddit.it 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She's like one of the most beautiful women to ever grace the screen, great in the role, and somehow that still wasn't enough?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago

Not when you're a sexist piece of shit who doesn't see women beyond tits and ass.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jadzia was a wonderful character, and it sucks the conditions that made her leave. I didn't mind her next iteration, though. She was.... okay.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I have a book (thanks Paisley) that I've started to read thats about Ezri Dax and she's growing on me.

Edit: It's the Star Trek: Destiny Omnibus. I put my amazon wishlist on Mastodon like a moron but @StillPaisleyCat was kind enough to send it over. Seriously. Thank you.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I didn't hate Ezri, and it was good that they made her intentionally different from Jadzia.

That said, it was sad to see Jadzia go.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

If they got another season or two, as they had planned at one point, I think Ezri would have been great. Still, though, she did a surprisingly good job with the short time she had.

But yeah, I missed Jadzia too.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely. Especially so unceremoniously.

[–] GoodbyeBlueMonday@startrek.website 8 points 10 months ago

Gotta say though, I wouldn't mind the unceremonious death of Jadzia if it wasn't wrapped up in the sexist contract disputes, because the character is the perfect one to kill off, because she was (in a sense) only mostly dead! Imagine if we had gotten the chance to see Ezri talk to Jadzia, like we saw Jadzia talk to former hosts.

The two of them could work through the complications of living on the same station as Jadzia's husband, how her death wasn't some honorable warrior's death like Jadzia (and Curzon) would have dreamed about, and how Ezria wasn't ready for the responsibility of being a host. There's a lot of really interesting stuff writers could play with there, and I think Adira and Gray in Discovery have showed there's some nice storytelling potential there (the same kind of additions to canon could have happened with Ezri and Jadzia, in terms of a traumatic host transfer causing unexpected bonds between the hosts' memories).

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Oh and I finished destiny yesterday!

There's a lot more ezri books from the ds9 themed ones, they start just a bit after the last tv series.

https://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/trek-lit-reading-order.html?m=1

[–] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

While I love Trek, the execs for a lot of the shows are just terrible people. It's like they completely missed the point of half the episodes they produced lol

[–] CallMeButtLove@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What is it about Ricks?

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can be Dicks.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

And also dicks.

[–] Blackout@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A Rick is just a bizarro world Rich and they should never be trusted. Or it's the other way around, I can't remember. Avoid Brians too

[–] UndecidedYellow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

How do you feel about Bryants?

[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think this video is essential viewing for any Trek fan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NeSz2gW8IsE

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So I've never seen it and just watched it. I knew a good amount of that but not all of it. However a major takeaway from this video, for me, is that a lot of the people who claim to hate NuTrek don't seem to like Star Trek so much as Trek that was constrained by Berman. A huge amount of people complain about it being serialized and not episodic, having more conflict and darker tones, consequences, and 'forced' LGBTQ+ representation. I'm not saying everyone who doesn't like NuTrek is like that but holy shit do a large number of people fit that bill...

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

All this politics is brand new to me! Having grown up with the Berman shows, I'm so, so disappointed knowing what it could have been had the actual creators (writers, designers, actors, etc) been allowed to fully express themselves.

I was not a fan of Discovery because the first season felt like a generic sci Fi series with a star trek coat. It felt way less fun, too. I enjoyed how it started to tie things together, and so creatively. It felt like it Enterprise season 4 correction to what the show was supposed to be. But Discovery just remained so dark and serious (much like every Fuller episode of past series I guess!)

Strange New Worlds is pure gold to me. But now I can't help but wonder if there are hidden fights and people being held back from potential. Shout out to Lower Decks as well!

[–] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I think star trek still does best when it's somewhere halfway between episodic and serialised. Like ds9 is.

But I'm all here for every other thing you've mentioned, including LGBTQ+ representation. And I'm thoroughly enjoying NuTrek.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Berman’s early comment, “I don’t believe the 24th Century is going to be like Gene Roddenberry believed it to be,” really struck me. Frankly, I don’t have a whole lot of faith in humanity, either.

If I’d had his job, though, instead of using my influence on Star Trek to try and tone down the progressiveness, I’d welcome the opportunity to be optimistic. I’d tell that nagging voice in my head to shut up, and I’d encourage the writers to come up with thoughtful, creative, insightful, socially aware stories.

Maybe the lack of “Bermanesque” influences is why I like Strange New Worlds so much!

[–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't he say "The question we were looking for"?

Been a long time since I watched Jeopardy.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah, it's always referred to as the answer because it's an answer to the question the host asks. While it is phrased in a question, it's more an inquisitive response than a true question itself. Thus answer.

[–] theforkofdamocles@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago

I just watched an episode of, and in that Final Jeopardy, Alex called them responses.

[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Riddle me this; Why do Americans frame their answers like questions? Is it some weird meme or something?

[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

C'mon, Trekkies, don't downvote someone for asking a question. Not everyone knows what Jeopardy is.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's the rules of the gameshow Jeopardy. The gimmick is the game will give you an answer, you have to guess the question, so all responses must be in the form of a question to count.

So for the prompt:

"This Actor portrayed the captain of the Enterprise in all but the pilot episode of the original Star Trek series."

You would answer:

"Who is William Shatner?"

[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

How bizarre.

Why not just ask questions the usual way?

edit: Evidently everyone really loves this show, as they are downvoting me like crazy for not having heard of it and finding it weird.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 10 months ago

This pattern only really exists in the game show Jeopardy, and people specifically referencing the show.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because there were a whole bunch of trivia gameshows out there at the time, this one had to set itself apart somehow. So it's trivia, but in reverse, which was novel for the time. The format and content were a hit formula, enjoyed by the well educated and the uneducated alike. We forget the weird gimmick because it has been a nightly fixture in homes for several generations. It's just good, high paced trivia with little filler and, for almost the whole series, a beloved host.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's the game itself; you get told the answer and must give the question. I actually came in here to be a nerd and mention that Alex would not say "answer" but "response." Because you are not giving answers.

Risa