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I hate that I always compare Lemmy to Reddit, but Reddit used to have (not sure if they still do) guidelines called "Reddiquette" that included guidelines about upvoting and downvoting. I don't remember the specifics (and sending too much of my browser traffic to Reddit makes me feel dirty) but one of the guidelines was not to upvote/downvote on the basis of agreement/disagreement with the content.

On Lemmy, I'm honestly a bit lax about upvoting and downvoting at all. (I'm trying to be better about it.) Buy when I do upvote/downvote, I try to do so on the basis of whether the comment/post "adds to" or "subtracts from" the community or conversation. I can disagree with one comment's take on some subject but still upvote them if they've given me a more nuanced perspective on the issue. If they're just parrotting well-known talking points and not being thoughtful with their posts, I may downvote them evren if I agree with their ultimate stance.

I'm just mostly wondering how folks on Lemmy think about upvotes/downvotes and what implications that has for the content here.

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[–] simple@lemm.ee 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Upvoting: I like this post or it adds to the discussion/community (I want to see more of this)

Downvoting: This is spam, off topic, etc. or the poster is being an arse (in general, I want to see less of this)

Simple as.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Up: Time was worth reading

Down: Time wasted reading (I want my time back!)

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Upvote: contributes positively to the discussion, hasnt been said before in the same thread, well researched/high effort

Downvote: trolling, obvious/overdone, bad/disingenuous reasoning, spreads misinformation, bigotry/sexism

[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

"Do you wish there were more content like this?" Upvote.

"Do you wish there were less content like this?" Downvote.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

I downvote for people being assholes (trolling, bigotry, ad hominem, etc), spreading misinformation, or making comments which don't add to the conversation ("This.", "This is the way."), and rarely for anything else.

I upvote content that I find interesting, educational, funny, etc. I also upvote people for being polite and willing to admit to being incorrect ("Thanks for the information, I didn't know that", etc).

[–] thelsim@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you reply to my comment or post, it’s an automatic upvote because I appreciate you for taking the time to interact with me and I will try to reply in return.
If a post or comment is funny, touching, interesting, heartfelt or anything else that makes me appreciate the time and effort you put into this, it’s an upvote.
If you’re only here to argue in bad faith, insult or belittle someone, it’s a downvote. If it’s with me, I will ignore you and not even downvote.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] thelsim@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Happy upvote and reply :)

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] thelsim@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago
[–] XbSuper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like this: upvote

I don't like this: downvote

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

This guy puts his pants on one leg at a time

[–] nix@merv.news 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Up: more people should read this

Down: less people should have to read this

[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I tend to agree about the down cote it if you disagree with it. I tend to just leave the thread or try not to comment to avoid silly online arguments.

However, if I read something posted that is obviously misleading or someone is just outright lying, then downvote away!

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tend to upvote if someone brings something unique to the discussion. If you're just giving a quick generic response to OP or parroting the same opinion a dozen other people in the thread have already posted, then I'm gonna read your comment and keep going. But if you provide thoughtful content that promotes discussion, provides a unique perspective, or at least had a lot of thought put into it, I'm likely to upvote it. Same goes for the post itself.

I generally avoid downvoting, even if I disagree with the comment. But if someone is factually wrong, misleading, posting in bad faith, or just being a troll, I'll downvote their comments in a thread and upvote anyone who attempts to be reasonable with them. If two people are just bickering back and forth, they both get downvotes. And as always, any comments that distract from the discussion or are off-topic will get a downvote.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

If two people are just bickering back and forth, they both get downvotes.

You made me think of this:

scene from blues brothers with nun

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it contributed to the conversation, I upvote. Especially if it's well-written and informative.

If it's off-topic, incorrect, or repetitive, I downvote.

If it's banal or uninteresting but not actually deleterious to discourse or distracting from the topic, I don't vote.

I upvote almost all replies to my comments, including those disagreeing with me, unless they clearly didn't take the time to read and understand my comment.

I vote on almost all comments I reply to, as well.

[–] Alatarius@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use this method as well but I also use the criteria that if I learned something new that is interesting or useful in my life I will upvote. If it's useless drivel or based on conspiracy theories then I downvote.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Upvote for funny posts, posts that contribute to the discussion even if they drift a bit off topic, and anything that promotes positivity.

No upvotes/downvites for things I disagree with that are just differences in opinions, or something that is trying to be funny but doesn't work for me. Also posts I just don't understand or understand the context.

Downvotes for people being jerks, posting misinformation, promoting terrible stuff like fascism, racism, sexism, etc. It does mean I mostly downvote anything positive about US conservatives, but that is because they tend to promote those things I mentioned already.

I sometimes also downvote people who go overboard with generally positive things by assuming anything other than agreeing with their narrow view is automatically malicious. Some of us are trying and admitting we aren't perfect or that maybe there is more than one way to be supportive than the one they think the only way.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Reddiquette" that included guidelines about upvoting and downvoting.

First time that I even hear about that LOL.

I do not follow any 'guidelines' when up/downvoting. It comes spontaneously.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I try to upvote most things I see, especially if someone took the time to comment under one of my posts.

If I downvote, it's usually because I see someone is actively being rude or is trying to steer something light into something controversial to bait arguments.

[–] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've found that the Risa community very much uses downvotes to disagree. I made a harmless joke and got dogpiled on, including a very toxic and rude comment from Stamets.

Since you are a highly respected member there, and really all of Lemmy, I think it would be greatly beneficial for you to openly advocate for people sticking to your logic when it comes to downvotes.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you, and I'm sorry if people dogpiled on you about something. I just want everybody to be cool to each other and have fun.

[–] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. I appreciate the sentiment. It is the internet after all so I basically always expect toxicity to some extent, but I was just surprised at the extreme disproportion of the response. Also, I expected more from Lemmy and in particular Risa, but I guess that's on me.

I've found that Lemmy tends to be about 50% more chill than reddit, but it definitely has some similar challenges. I try to be positive on a personal level and try to support others who I see doing the same.

In my experience so far (just a few months) Risa has been one of the most friendly places on lemmy - maybe it was just a full moon or something? Whatever the case, I say positive people are always welcome.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I upvote any reply to anything I say and everything I reply to as a way of remembering where I've engaged. The only exceptions are things with clear perspective-lacking malice.

[–] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I generally don't downvote anything. I, however, upvote stuff other people might want to see first. Easy as that.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

If I like it, I upvote. If I dislike it, I downvote. If I have no strong feelings, I do nothing. If I commented and it got a lot of upvotes, I return the favor and upvote the post and any decent comments.

[–] sour@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

downvotes are for condescension and things people already mentioned

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[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty liberal with the upvotes. I like to encourage people to participate and an upvote feels like saying "hey I see you and thanks for sharing." I regularly upvote things I don't like or don't agree with, if they are shared in good faith and contribute to the conversation.

Downvotes are for bigots and misinformation/disinformation/lies.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

my instance has downvotes disabled - it allows me to move on with my life. Only upping just seems more zen

[–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Upvote if I find the post good and remember it exists, downvote disabled

[–] noride@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Downvotes are for off topic or inflammatory comments, not for things you disagree with, in my opinion.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Generally, it's based on appropriateness to the C/, effort, and usefulness.

There are exceptions, though there aren't any on C/s that I actually use. But there might be eventually, there were on reddit.

If something doesn't fit the C/, that's a down vote if I notice it.

If something is horribly low effort, even if it's in the right place, that'll be a down vote.

Upvotes, it tends to be because something was appropriate to the C/, and/or someone put some work in. But, even a low effort post/comment can get an up vote if it's personally useful.

I used to up vote anything and everything that was on topic, but lemmy has gotten busy enough that I tend to only vote at all if I interact with the post in some way. So, like a title that indicates the post isn't something that will interest me, I just scroll past because there's just so much stuff now. But, I scroll All, and sort by new by default, so I end up scrolling past stuff that isn't in my subscription list. If I only scrolled through subscribed stuff, I'd probably end up voting the same amount, but voting on everything I saw, if that makes sense.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Upvote: it is the same thing I was going to comment, or it is an extraordinarily good post that stands out from the masses

Downvote: it is objectively wrong or doesn't add to the discussion at all

Vast majority of everything, I neither upvote nor downvote.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For posts:

Interesting content gets updoot. Spam, misinformation, and conservative politics get the downdoot.

For comments:

Relevant to the discussion (be it top-level or deep in a thread), funny, and factual statements get updoots. Irrelevant comments, false information, poor argumentative skills, and conservative political get the downdoot.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

conservative political get the downdoot.

That's shitty imo. I'm on the left but there's plenty of conservative politics that aren't extreme or worthy of burying.

My old coworker was conservative and we had some amazing conversations about politics and culture even though we usually didn't budge much on our positions. He was my favorite person to talk to about it because he brought in "the other side" that I wasn't otherwise exposed to.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Conservative like slow to change or conservative in the modern political sense which just means trying to undo any progress on personal rights?

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Those conversations happen so rarely that it's not worth even considering that as a possibility until a reply or two has shown that they're not going to stonewall the conversation.

In person things are one way, but on the anonymous Internet (especially lemmy and reddit) it's people who are 100% not going to adjust their actively garbage views on things and thus deserve to be treated as the dickheads they too often are

If they don't like being pre judged based on their political beliefs they should rethink why people have an inherant dislike of them, and maybe change. Or learn to deal with the consequences of having dogshit opinions

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I was never a reddit member and so may miss some of that nuance, but I vote for things I enjoyed reading or for folks I enjoyed interacting with. I thought about down voting one thing, but then leaned that group didn't work that way. The whole point was to say something that was against the grain.

[–] Ecksell@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You guys have a downvote? Whoa, here on .one we do not.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I couldn't stand being on an instance without downvotes, personally. They are abused, but they serve a valid purpose.

(I can see one person downvoted your comment btw.)

[–] OddFed@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I'm afraid it's the same algorithm I use to answer the question whether I need a receipt.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I neither upvote nor downvote stuff.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I let lurkers do the upvoting or downvoting unless it's really good or really bad Downvotes don't federate from or to kbin anyway.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I didn't know about the down votes, thanks for sharing.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My personal rules

Up = Like it, interesting novel take (even if I disagree), funny and clever

No vote with comment = disagree but worthwhile discussing, unintentional but incorrect and/or misleading info.

Down = Spam, low effort to the point it's insulting (clearly not reading beyond the title), flaming and flamebaiting (this is a big one on forums like this everywhere), trolling, intentionally incorrect or misleading information, off-topic/irrelevant stuff.

Report = hate speech, violence against members of our communities, incessant trolling or flaming or flamebaiting (more than twice in a row).

[–] KinNectar@kbin.run 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Rentlar This, this is it. I nominate this list for the official Fediquette !

@TootSweet

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the endorsement! If i run my own server them's'll be the rules.

I agree having a general ettiquite/cross-Fediverse rules of conduct that won't get you banned on most servers. But (within the boundaries of law) I don't mind if other servers want to impose more or fewer restrictions in keeping with such an ettiquite and how strict it's enforced. Servers like Hexbear can go and do their silly thing so long as the "trolling the libs" kind of conduct is kept there.

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