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Pope Francis on Saturday forcibly removed the bishop of Tyler, Texas, a firebrand conservative prelate active on social media who has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and has come to symbolize the polarization within the U.S. Catholic hierarchy.

A one-line statement from the Vatican said Francis had “relieved” Bishop Joseph Strickland of the pastoral governance of Tyler and appointed the bishop of Austin as the temporary administrator.

Strickland, 65, has emerged as a leading critic of Francis, accusing him in a tweet earlier this year of “undermining the deposit of faith.” He has been particularly critical of Francis’ recent meeting on the future of the Catholic Church during which hot-button issues were discussed, including ways to better welcome LGBTQ+ Catholics.

Earlier this year, the Vatican sent in investigators to look into his governance of the diocese, amid reports that priests and laypeople in Tyler had complained and that he was making unorthodox claims.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 269 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He's gonna go start his own church with blackjack and children.

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 101 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Under~~aged~~rated comment right there!

[–] rdrunner@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He will 100% use this to start a new church to siphon funds from his snowflake congregation

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Wouldn't doing that literally be considered heresy? That doesn't really mean much in the modern day I suppose, but if he actually believes all the Catholic stuff (which I imagine he might, to have gotten that high a rank in it in the first place?), then potentially getting excommunicated is probably not something he would want.

[–] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I'd be curious if there are actual numbers out there, but a number of ex-Catholics I know have deemed Francis the antipope and have latched onto some random local evangelical church that aligns with their political values. I could definitely see this guy jumping on board with that.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 129 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good. More of this. Fuck these conservatives wolves in bishops clothing.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Next let's expell all the diddlers... you can't tell me they aren't still around...

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tin foil hat

I read some Italian news story on how basically all the bishops at the vatican are playing politics and slow rolling any real progress on kicking out the diddlers. Probably trying to save the sanctity of the church, but mostly billions in damages paid out to victims.

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[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 98 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Wait but wasn't a dogma that the word of the Pope IS the word of God? So that guy is an heretic and should be burnt at the stake

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Only when the pope chooses to speak as god, forget the fancy term.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago (6 children)

The Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility means that the pope has the power as head of the Church to declare something an unquestionable part of Church doctrine. This was last used to declare "the Virgin Mary went to heaven" as part of the Catholic doctrine. The "infallible" part of "papal infallibility" means that the pope's decision on the matter is final and that is the end of the discussion.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure where Catholics got that. The Bible pretty clearly says Mary is burning eternally in hell for having premarital sex with the Holy Spirit.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Was it pre-marital or extra-marital?

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 12 points 11 months ago

Guess it’s both, isn’t it?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Yes. When he’s speaking formally.

When he calls the nurse wiping his decrepit ass “a hot piece of tail”… that’s not formal doctrine. That’s just his mortal opinion. I believe the official term is when he’s speaking “ex cathedral”. There may be times broader than that, that count, but it’s a pretty obvious thing when he is.

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

That’s it, thank you. It’s…. Been a while.

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[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Ex cathedra, iirc (or something similar).

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

There's a heresy called sedevacantism that basically believes the last few Popes don't count because they've taken positions that the real Pope would never take.

They don't do the burning at the stake bit anymore though.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Some people are lucky that today's popes don't act like the popes of the olden days.

BTW, which one was the last true Pope in theory eyes? I bet it's the fascist one

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago

I think most of them think the last real pope was Pius XII, and yeah he was the guy who signed the Reichskonkordat with the Nazis, which required priests in Germany to take an oath of loyalty to the German Reich.

He actually did that as Secretary of State before he became pope, on behalf of the previous pope, so they were both fash.

The reason sedevacantists dislike his successor, John XXIII, is that they are really upset about the Second Vatican Council introducing ideas like "the beneficial nature of diversity" and "concern for secular human values." That's the moment when they think the church went off the rails.

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[–] Skates@feddit.nl 83 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I don't get how you can be 'too progressive'. Surely progress is a good thing, no? If you're against progress, you're in favor of things remaining as they are or getting worse. To me, that's just being a cunt.

I guess what I'm saying is, "Pope removes bishop for being too much of a cunt" would've been a good headline also.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Many people worked hard within the current hierarchy or system to attain power. They essentially invested their time, resource or energy for this gain over a lifetime. Progressives want change to the existing power heirarchies and systems. That change nullifies the lifetime investment. That's why there is such institutional resistance to progressives.

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[–] Spendrill@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

To me, that’s just being a cunt.

Welcome to religious conservatism.

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Progress for one man can be regression for other.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Not for religion, it is about power and control.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 67 points 11 months ago (3 children)

We have an expression in Québec for people who either:

1- Defend someone else's interests with more fervor than the other person themselves.

2- To have extremist values, thoughts or actions.

The expression is "Être plus catholique que le pape." Or to be more Catholic than the pope himself.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

Oh this guy definitely thinks himself the most holy Catholic person to ever live. He is light years away from the papacy in terms of ever being Pope, but definitely casually suggests to his followers that HE some random fuck in Texas would be a better Pope than the actual Pope

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In Italian we say "more royalist than the king". Btw, the Pope was criticized even by Italian politicians because "they know better" what the Catholic faith should be like. And I'm not referring to some minor party, but to the very backbone of the current government. It seems like the Pope is intentionally trying to mess up their whole electoral campaign based on tradicional family and morality.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not very surprising considering the current government is far right and they always believe they know better than anyone else.

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[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

We have pretty much the same expression in English!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Despite the evilness of the Catholic church as a whole, I've got to say I kinda like Pope Francis. Too bad the majority of religious leaders aren't more like him.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He still protected sexual abusers like Cardinal McCarrick. He's handled the PR of sexual abuse than his predecessors, but he hasn't excommunicated a single abuser or enabler. He hasn't turned any records over to law enforcement.

Religious leaders need better role models than the pope.

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[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Don’t forget he basically said Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

Dude’s still an ass, he’s just a comparatively smaller ass than his predecessors.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

He's no saint, though.

What you're mentioning is the equivalent of "huh, this pope gives us 10 fewer kicks in the nuts per day than the previous popes. I kinda like him!"

He wants to welcome lgbt people in the church? The reaction shouldn't be "oh he's so good!" It should be "about damn time, fuckers!"

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The modern church is the shell of the institution it once was. Which is a good thing. Let's make it even less relevant than it already is.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago

The goal isn't to make it hollow, the goal is to shrink the size proportional to honest participation, so that it doesn't have an outsized influence on the general population.

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[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 11 months ago (3 children)

From the article:

“This is total war,” Matt wrote on X, formerly Twitter. “Francis is a clear and present danger not only to Catholics the world over but also to the whole world itself.”

Matt is the editor of a traditionalist newspaper. That guy needs to touch grass. How stupid can a person be?

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Churches of all kinds are destroying themselves with politics.

[–] spicysoup@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago
[–] pubertthefat@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago

Tyler TX is also home to Idiot Child Louie Gohmert. There are churches and banks on every corner, and every time there's new construction there's a 50% chance it's either a church or a bank.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

laypeople in Tyler had complained and that he was making unorthodox claims.

Oh you.

[–] Kleinbonum@feddit.de 19 points 11 months ago

Honestly, though: good for those Catholic laypeople in Texas to complain to the friggin' Vatican that this guy is a compete nut job!

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact about Tyler, TX...

Ok I'm at a loss.

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[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I remember right. A friend said that Tyler Texas is also where a bad racist act happened.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

True for any Insert Texas name here

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


ROME (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday forcibly removed the bishop of Tyler, Texas, a firebrand conservative prelate active on social media who has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and has come to symbolize the polarization within the U.S. Catholic hierarchy.

The Vatican never released the findings and Strickland had insisted he wouldn’t resign voluntarily, saying in media interviews that he was given a mandate to serve as bishop in 2012 by the late Pope Benedict XVI and couldn’t abdicate that responsibility.

Francis has not been shy about his concerns about the right wing in the U.S. Catholic hierarchy, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

In comments to Portuguese Jesuits in August, Francis blasted the “backwardness” of these conservative bishops, saying they had replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

The meeting debated a host of previously taboo issues, including women in governance roles and welcoming LGBTQ+ Catholics, but in the end, its final document didn’t veer from established doctrine.

In a social media post sent a few hours before the Vatican’s noon announcement, Strickland wrote a prayer about Christ being the “way, the truth and the life, yesterday, today and forever.” He had changed the handle from his previous @bishopoftyler to @BishStrickland.


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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Good, can we suggest others to remove?

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