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Update: Due to overwhelming support for defederation, we will be going through with that at 12am Moscow time (approx. 8hrs from now). Thanks to everyone who provided their feedback.


It's come to our attention that the admins of europe.pub are allowing pro-genocide rhetoric and Nazi propaganda to be freely posted on their instance.

Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the Poland@europe.pub comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.

Due to these factors and the unwillingness of europe.pub admins to act, we are holding a vote to defederate from their instance. Please comment with either an emote or yes/no to the question: should we defederate from europe.pub?

eu-cool or "Yes" - Defederate

poland-cool or "No" - Remain federated

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

eu-cool The only activity on that instance is the admin, the nazi and hexbears.

[–] ObamaSama@hexbear.net 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

🇷🇴 uhhh I have no horse in the race but from my time here I think Eastern Europeans are pretty chill. It’s probably better to have some dissenting voices in that echo chamber rather than letting them fall into a solipsistic nightmare?

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago

Well, the ones on that comm are decidedly unchill

[–] Pili@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

poland-cool Dont infringe on our right to bully fascists.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago

poland-cool

No, because reform and opening up must continue.

[–] ahrienby@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

eu-cool Yes, I'd let transfem.social admins to check the europe.pub content before deciding to defederate

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

poland-cool so we can free the brainwashed people who claim to be Santa's elves in the land of the North Poles.

Reverse this vote if the users in question are causing material harm to Hexbears

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

poland-cool how do we bully them if we defed

[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

poland-cool

I don't have strong feelings either way. They'll probably defed from us on their own eventually.

[–] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

poland-cool

If an instance is making it more difficult to maintain a safe space for marginalized people on hexbear, that's when it needs to be axed. But it seems to me that a lot of these "yes, defederate!" arguments are more just about how obviously wrong and bad the mods and admins of these other instances are. And yes, they are wrong and bad, they're fucking disgusting. But by cutting ourselves off from ever being able to even see the shit they post, are we helping hexbear be a better place, or are we only making it so our correct analyses and perspectives are seen by even fewer people (including lurkers and potential comrades on the sidelines)? I'm not saying I have the answer to that question, I do lean more towards it being the latter, but maybe I'm wrong.

The most interesting threads to me are often the ones where hexbears, lemmygraders, and some .ml's are schooling the libs and tearing down the fash. When we defederate from the instances where said libs and fash think they won't get any pushback, we not only make it so those threads don't happen for us anymore (and I respect those who prefer that, dgmw), it also makes it so all that disgusting shit goes more unopposed on the rest of the "lemmyverse." It also makes it so our comrades on .ml, those who do speak up to counter the lies, are more likely to get dogpiled into silence without hexbears even knowing, let alone being able to come to their aid in the posting trenches.

It looks like this is already a landslide for "yes" but I still just have to say that I feel like by doing that we're just making it easier for them and (while it might seem parodoxical) worse in the long run for us, for reasons similar to what others like @Babs@hexbear.net and @SevenSkalls@hexbear.net already said elsewhere in this thread.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

I don't care either way, never remember interacting with them. But I do love a close race, give my vote to the losing side please.

[–] BadTakesHaver@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

eu-cool

that nitwit ukrainian nazi/ukrainian nazi apologist came on the news comm recently and she was apparently a mod there? they're not sending their best, folks.

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

poland-cool these are insane takes, but I don't think we should defed since they aren't attacking hexies or whatever

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It is pretty wild that the admin just doesn't put any resistance to the nazi lady literally saying Ukrainians didn't collaborate or participate in the Holocaust and that all of the alleged crimes were actually Russians in deep cover trying to make Ukraine look bad.

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 3 points 6 hours ago

Hitler was secretly a Jewish plot

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago
[–] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

poland-cool

Make them defederate so they can remain Nazis. The only reason to cut contact should be to protect users and in the words of the bard: “cyber bullying isn’t real!”

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

No.

I always learn something whenever we bully people and the folks here bring out their paragraphs of sources.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the Poland@europe.pub comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.

The real fucked up thing is being a mod of a Polish comm while denying war crimes perpetuated against Polish people. This is how far gone the admins are in "sticking it to Putler."

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

poland-cool I think users can block comms/users they don't like or want to hear from.

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago

eu-cool

Who needs Europe when Indonesia exists

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

eu-cool

These are the 11 people at the table seated around the nazi letting them talk and hanging on to every word.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You'll get banned like me for saying that to their German admin's face lol.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Calls everyone a nazi who disagrees with them"

> looks inside

> Holocaust denier

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's even funnier that it took as long as it did for this whole thing to snowball considering that banderite has been posting nazi shit from day one on the EU pub's Ukraine comm purely because I removed that comm on our end God knows when because it was filled with banderite nonsense.

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[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago
[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

eu-cool

lol, this fucking person even came over here to defend her favorite nazi collaborators. https://hexbear.net/comment/6220999

The admin also basically admitted they made her a mod to troll people who didn't like fascist rhetoric.

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[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have no idea what this discourse is about, but any opportunity to have fewer white Europeans interacting with us on a daily basis is objectively a win. eu-cool

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[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Nie mam siły patrzeć na takich kompletnych debili, weźcie się kurwa pozbądźcie ich żebym mógł znowu lurkować w spokoju. Nie mam jakiegokolwiek zamiaru widzieć takiego gówna sortując po brigading

A poza tym kim ona jest, żeby zarządzać społeczność o Polsce? Czy ona nawet umię gram polskiego? Czy jest zaznajomina z naszą kulturą (lub jej brakiem lol), realiami politycznimi i ten teges? Jakby z takim podejściem do Rosji to pasowała by w sam raz do naszych libków ale chuj, tylko tyle ją łączy na pierwszy rzut oka. Jakby też, co to kurwa za posty, powinna pisać w społeczności ukraińskiej czy coś.

eu-cool

Ingles?Nie chcę mi się kurwa, poradzisz se. Mądra z ciebie morda. stalin-heart

[–] isa41@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They were just doing a drive to try to get people to mod for that comm. As we know they settled for a fascist, which makes them no better. I'm sure they wouldn't have allowed any communist (read: "aUtHoRiTaRiAn") Pole into the position. But if you made an .ml account and most importantly, hid your power levels, they might let you onto the small mod team, especially if they were having as hard a time as they claimed finding any takers. Your fluency would probably go a long ways with winning them over. Obviously you'd have to actually want to take on the hassle of doing it, and playing a part for a while, but I don't know, some people would find that fun and amusing. If you made it on, just playing the "fair and balanced" card, I'd bet you could help ensure some actual reality makes it through rather than every single good comment getting removed. Just a thought.

[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah would be fun I guess, but I'm a dirty grass touching org member now. Unfortunately I've got important things to do, rather than worry about some random ass forum on the internet. I'll just stick to posting on here from time to time.

[–] isa41@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Without a doubt, that's the healthier, better option.

Still kitty-birthday-sad tho

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Just like clockwork, the Ukrainian fascist who's now in charge of the Polish comm @bonnashejve@europe.pub is silencing actual Polish citizens to push her genocidal historically revisionist propaganda in a vain effort to silence and bury the truth that the heroes the current Ukrainian regime worships was as murderous and genocidal as the German Nazis they worked for as Schweinehund cronies

[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dobry boże, daj mi siły, najwyraźniej nie jestem p*lakiem. (chiałbym ngl) speed-dont-laugh

Like it fucking tempts me to take a photo of a written note with todays date, my passport's cover, and The Polish Glass™ lol, but eh what's it gonna fucking do

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm just mad their jackass admin deleted my refutation of that banderite when I posted the full source of Władysław Filar Article titled "Antypolskie akcje nacjonalistów ukraińskich" in full Polish, in respect to the fact its a Polish Community that should be filled with Polish language, and not with a bunch of Ukrainian fascist nonsense.

Source of article below.

https://www.lwow.com.pl/wolyn.html

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No

I agree that id prefer to bully them until they defederate UNLESS they cause too much trouble to our people, then I don’t mind defederating.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

I guess I'll be an enlightened, radical centrist and abstain.

I'm cool with defederating them, but also think it would be fine to stay federated with them and PPB them until they defederate with us, which is probably inevitable. Either way, fuck those Nazis.

refuse-the-question

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

eu-cool I don't think I've ever seen an @europe.pub user here having good opinions, like I fairly frequently do with @lemmy.db0.com users, for example.

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