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Lots of protests, lots of people willing to go out and disrupt cities and force the state to listen. Great! I know Americans suffer under a fascist police state, commit genocides, underfund public services, ooh - they have a shitty bourgeois democratic system, maybe they're protesting to fix that, or maybe they're demanding free healthcare, that's long overdue. No, I know, it'll be about the insane amount of school shootings, or serious police violence. I know the LA riots started against ICE, that's cool, so maybe they're protesting for actually fair justice! That'd be a step forward.

Whatever they're protesting, they seem to be in huge numbers, so they'll probably make an actual effort to disrupt things. Occupy buildings. You know, some sort of direct action, they can't all stand around pointlessly. Anyway, enough anticipation let's go look and find out

Oh, the protests are just "Trump bad" in another form. And they're decrying all forms of violence. And the police are literally collaborating with some. Oh.

Americans really took all these years of mistreatment, fascism, genocide with their tax dollars, deliberately being made poorer year after year, violent suppression, being allowed to die in droves, and the mass culmination of that is.. "trump bad, also be polite while saying it"??? And then the protests are used as an excuse to tighten the fascism.

I can't wrap my head around it. Millions(?) of people coming out to protest, and the overwhelming demand is 'replace orange man with another genocidal fascist pls'. ie. basically for nothing to change whatsoever.

At least leftists try to get the fucking goods. Lib organising is the worst.

EDIT: I'mma just be clear - protesting ICE is extremely cool and not the part I'm complaining about.

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[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I think if you view the protests as the end goal, then yea they are pointless. Libs are mad and need a way to let out that frustration and the protests are the most effective way to absorb it. It doesnt require them to get too far out of their comfort zone or face the systemic question of how we got to this point in the first place.

As leftists i think we can view these protests as a sort of "career fair" for trying to organize people. We need to go to where the people are at and i feel like a liberal at a protest is on the path to being radicalized and forming a revolutionary consciousness, but there still needs to be some sort of nudge to get there. The nudge will have to be from another human being because social relations do dominate people's conscious.

Theres also a sense of solidarity that builds up when you are among others who are also sharing in the disatisfaction.

Well, when they get actively repressed for their simple first amendment exercise the cops might just be the radicalizing element for a lot of them. It has historical precident in the lead up to the USSR revolution.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

My opinion for these types of protests is if they're within walking distance, you should attend because if nothing else, it's good exercise. But if you have to drive 40+ minutes and pay for parking, don't bother. That money is better spend on Palestinian gofundmes.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

All those people who are getting shot at and get up every morning to protest despite the military being deployed against them are controlled opposition? This is either defeatism of fedposting

Occupy buildings.

The buildings with snipers on top of them?

Millions(?) of people coming out to protest, and the overwhelming demand is 'replace orange man with another genocidal fascist pls'.

From what I've seen, the demand has been "stop ICE", why are you imagining opponents to shadow box?

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Did you go to the protest this post is about? I did, this post described it perfectly. People in the Houston No Kings protest were petting cop horses, thanking cops, chanting "vote them out". You are talking about an entirely different protest that wasn't paid for by the Walmart family.

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lib protests are good, symbolic resistance is still resistance

[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

symbolic resistance is still resistance

I think that's an interesting take. I can't say I share it, symbolic resistance seems more to me like a distraction from actual resistance.

[–] PaulBunyan@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It sounds like you assume it’s pointless without instant results. Overtaking buildings and doing anything even in the grey area of legal would be a step back.

I was impressed how many people showed up to their first protest ever yesterday. My 67 year old dad went to his first protest yesterday. My non-political, never voted friend went to their first protest yesterday. It brought out a new group of people to stand up.

[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago

I was impressed how many people showed up to their first protest ever yesterday.

Ignoring the other parts, I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but that it's effectively fruitless on its own merit. If your first protest proved pointless, confused, and entirely ineffective, are many people really going to feel empowered to go on to do meaningful actions? Or will they instead feel justified in staying at home and never bothering?

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