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Lawsuit Alleges 'Secretly Altered' Vote Machines Stole Election From Kamala Harris (www.westernjournal.com)
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[–] FoxyFerengi@startrek.website 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I moved from one county to another in the same state between the last two presidential elections. Three months before the 24 election I get a letter from my old county saying I need to prove my disability or vote in person. No idea what that was about, because you don't need to be disabled to vote by mail in this state. They obviously knew I moved five hours away because I changed my address everywhere and it was directly mailed to me, not forwarded to me.

So I wrote them a nice letter back saying I had moved and had already changed my registration to my new county. One month before the election all my friends had gotten their mail in ballots, but I hadn't. Turns out my voter registration was canceled in my new county by the old one. So I re-registered, took my new ballot home and filled it out. Then I took it to the courthouse to file, and guess what? My voter registration had been canceled again. I still have no idea if my ballot was even counted, but this county was one that was blue all the way down except for president

I voted by mail in '22 from my new address with zero issues from the old one. So I'm extremely suspicious at the length that someone went to in order to discourage my vote last year. I'm positive it happened to more people than just me

[–] death916@lemmy.death916.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

Never seen a red factuality score for a site.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Americans should use more paper ballots, instead of using methods that people don’t understand and cannot prove is accurate

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We do. The machines print a paper ballot. The ballot is recorded electronically as well, but the ballot is inserted by the voter into a locked container.

The thing is, we don't always count the paper ballots by hand. We only do manual counts if the race in a particular voting district is very close.

There were a lot of districts that voted for Trump in numbers just large enough to avoid these manual recounts. A suspicious amount, some might say.

[–] chaos@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago

Some states do it this way. Other states do it all electronically (fewer now than in the past, thankfully). Other states do it all on paper and do the counting with offline counting machines, then spot check some precincts at random. Some do it by mail entirely on paper.

And that's the big reason why this line of inquiry is nonsense. The entire country showed a huge shift to the right, not just the swing states or the states that are more vulnerable. That's 51 entirely separate election systems that you'd have to manipulate, make sure public information about the election matches exactly, and also not go so far that any independent exit polls show anything fishy either. The scale of conspiracy to do it in even one state, make no mistakes, and have no one leak is hard to believe. Doing it across the entire country? You're going to need a lot more than "I feel like the numbers are fishy" to be convincing. The conservatives were wrong when they said 2020 was rigged, and anyone saying 2024 was rigged is equally wrong.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

Many states have different methods, some better or worse.

The recount thing made me very excited the last few years. I totally agree with what you said.

It’s easy enough to get a printed receipt, and make a paper trail. It’s rarer to have those used.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It varies a lot by state. Washington primarily uses mail-in paper ballots. I love never having to visit a polling location. (In-person voting is an option here, but everyone I know votes by mail).

[–] remington@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I don't understand why anyone would want to vote in person. I have always voted via mail-in ballot.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 8 hours ago

I think the most obvious use case for in-person voting is for homeless people. But there are also people who just like it better.

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 4 points 18 hours ago

My anxiety dictates that I go on Election Day to vote in person. I've seen too many examples of people's mail-in ballots not being counted and mail-in has too many potential points of failure. When I can physically drop my ballot into the counting machine, I know it has been counted.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No one wants to. This is just a suppression lever.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Texas, where I live, it’s illegal for me to vote by mail in ballot. I will be able to vote this way when I am 70 years old.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago

After years in Oregon and Washington, this whole thing of having to go to a polling place was weird. Also, even the secretary of state in Arizona mailed out voters' guides that we apparently need LWV to put out. Not that I'd trust Paxton with anything but a loaded gun in a locked room, but how we run elections here is pretty anachronistic.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 13 points 1 day ago

Always remember that any GOP accusation is actually admission of guilt.

This news broke last week.

[–] Linktank 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is one of those "I don't even care if it's true" moments. Take action.

[–] PaulBunyan@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why would you not care about the truth here? That seems incredibly irresponsible.

[–] niucllos@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Idk if this is what they meant but I don't care if it's true if the machine altered votes, if it's suspicious they should do a paper recount either way and prove the machine integrity or lack thereof.

[–] PaulBunyan@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago

I respect that