If a person impersonating a cop spouted out some random digits when I asked for their badge and serial number, I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2025
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That's what the call is for- you ask the local office if they can confirm that that officer is actually on patrol, exists, etc. Idk how that would work for ICE though; I don't think you can just call up the federal ICE headquarters.
That's not what the post says. It says call 911 if they refuse. It gives no guidance on what to do if they respond.
At least with 911 on the phone you can ask to be connected somewhere who can verify
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This always makes me think, if you resist an "ice agent" because they have not identified themselves, your not liable right? Like if you go infront of a court wouldn't you have a good case to say, "they didn't identify themselves, I thought I might be assaulted or kidnapped by someone"
Except you won't go to a court. You'll go to a camp.
Your first mistake was assuming you would be allowed to see a court.
There is a reason why they suspend due process.
You are being kidnapped.
Next protest literally everyone should dress up in the same outfit the ICE officers dress in. Who would they arrest?
I was in autopilot reading this like don't dress like cops then I remembered the cops aren't dressing like cops. (I'm very sleepy.)
Impersonation a federal agent is a felony.
Should remind them of that.
ICE is under a federal agency, isnt it?
They're identifying themselves as ICE. Who they actually are is up for debate. They seemed to have rushed this so bad that they don't have proper identification at all and do not care to.
Don't put ICE plastered on the front just dress up in black with a helmet and face mask and vest. When there's 1000 it's close enough
I think it's just wearing clothes not a uniform though and not stating you're an agent, so I don't think it's impersonation.
However I think it's dangerous to do this. We're better off when we can identify the enemy.
And yet there are no laws against expersonating.
Curious.
Utterly delusional to think any of that would work. At every step you would just get your face beaten in. When the cops come they too will just beat your face in.
Thinking you can castle doctrine a squad of ICE agents is equally delusional. You could probably take a couple out but you'd still die in the end and be risking the lives of anyone that lives with you.
The only solution is well known and already in practice in places like LA: have an active community response force that will show up and intimidate and harass the ICE agents. All of the previous delusions assume you, alone, can stop an ICE with just your privledge.
It happened at one of the protests. Someone asked one of the officers for their badge number and got their head battered.
Folks also need to be tearing down the local deathcamps, and rescuing the people still alive in them.
No badges, no uniforms, driving unmarked cars and wearing masks? I think any person could successfully argue in court that they thought they were being kidnapped by criminals.
You're still thinking as if due process and legality matters
You never get to court, that's the point the previous comment is making.
As an individual trying to stand up to them you're somewhere between being either completely ineffectual or making the situation worse. Having the law on your side doesn't matter because it's impossible for you to summon the enforcement of it fast enough to help you, assuming they even would.
A local community response that will mobilize and appear in your neighborhood in seconds is basically the only way to respond quickly with enough force for them to care about.
The people in LA Matt have been tracking and following the ice vehicles to some extent. We need that everywhere.
If ICE is coming for you, then you're not seeing court. If you're some interfering bystander then maybe you will. But then you're plan to lie to the judge and say you didn't know? The judge will see through you're bullshit immediately.
Like that could only work if you actually were ignorant and even then you'd have a long up hill legal battle to establish the precedent that its sometimes OK to shoot law enforcement. IANAL but I think thats a liberty the state has never been conceded.
If you live in a society where masked gunmen, who are answerable to NO ONE can black-bag and kidnap you off the street, then it's time for folks to have an honest talk with themselves about what kind of society they really live in.
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You're probably right, but you'd have to make it to court. Not everyone does..
There were posters stapled to phone polls in my area with what to do when ice is around. Demand id, demand a warrent etc etc.
The next day there were news stories of ice not even caring about any of that.
They do not care about the law. Lock your door and hide. If you're a neighbor tell them no one's home. That's about as much as you can do as an individual.
Tbh this is my plan if I see them, but starting with the calling 911 about the masked gunmen abducting my neighbor.
You know the cops watch the news too and will immediately guess what your up to. At best this is just trolling the cops. At worst you're calling back for ICE.
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Skip straight to step 3. Just call 911. These guys aren't fucking around, and neither should you.
Exactly what I thought. If their intent is to kill you they aren't going to mess around while you ask several times threatening to call the police.
No. When an armed, masked man with no ID assaults you, you fucking shoot him dead, or do your damnedest.
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Ideally while having someone who isn't you record the interaction, so when they drop you to the pavement and your phone 'regrettably' gets smashed to pieces, there's still some external record of what went down.
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Don't even engage; just call 911 immediately. If they're not proactively proving their legitimacy they're already guilty.
They wear the masks so they can’t be identified. They don’t want their kids friends and school friends to know that what they do.
I don't think they care what their family thinks of them .... I think they care about how angry democratically minded citizens see them as unidentified fascists hiding behind masks
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral ... then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
If what you are doing is illegal, immoral and highly dangerous to everyone including you and your family and you know it .. then you are more apt to want to hide your identity and avoid having to deal with the repercussions of what you know is wrong
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral ... then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
Disregard this, hide your face at protests people
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Except HSI and ICE don’t have badge numbers, so you’d say, “What’s your name and call sign?” The call sign is most commonly a letter followed by 3 digits. ex: A-123
https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Customs_and_Border_Protection
No ID = No authority.
Tell that to their handcuffs and guns.
I guess I should have said "No legitimacy".
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