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I posted this article on c/politics and it was quickly taken down by mods. I was informed that the reason was

Rule 1, no social media or blogs

However, c/politics rule 1 states:

Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

I am curious if all substack articles are removed from that community, or just ones that the moderators disagree with.

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This has come up before. The mods do not consider substack to be journalistic. They typically remove all posts that link to it.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah if you check !yepowertrippingbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, the politics of lemmy.world mods consider Substack, a software method of content hosting, blogs. But not Wordpress, even though it is the same method of hosting content and is neutral to the content being used for it.

If Fox News used Wordpress, it's allowed to be posted. If NPR used Substack, they'd remove it. It's backwards methods of determining fake news/accuracy.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fox is removed on general principle. :)

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

That's fair enough

[–] JuBe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@andros_rex@lemmy.world I’m a mod on c/politics. I don't speak for any of the other mods, and while I don’t recall interacting with your specific post, I’ll give you two reasons today that would likely be sufficient to me, for why I would have removed that post. (1) It’s an article to a Substack post, which isn't necessarily dispositive, but the author is unknown (at least to me), which is a ding against its credibility. (2) I don't know enough about the author's intent to know whether to characterize the article as mis- or dis-information, but I've been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect. Specifically, the author demonstrates ignorance of the technology and logistics involved in the administration of elections, along with different methods of verification.

And just to be clear, the 2024 election was not perfect and there was institutionalized voter suppression; however, that Substack post is not rooted in fact.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’ve been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect.

This seems to be stating that we must accept what you say at face value without evidence.

[–] JuBe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Okay, well here are some facts that you can confirm with anyone else who has been involved in election administration that support my point:

  • The individual or group of individuals involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
  • The technology involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
  • The article completely skips over addressing how any of these changes wouldn’t be caught during count verification steps.

Those are three things undermining the article’s credibility that you can confirm for yourself. It’s spewing the same kind of bullshit theories that I heard about the 2020 election, and spent the years since, fighting. I didn’t like the outcome of the 2024 election either, but I know what I’m talking about.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The "Basic Rules" post has only been stickied to the top of the group since the election:

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These are not the same as the rules listed in the sidebar, which I read and do not mention substack.

I was not aware that I would need to read two separate sets of rules to be aware of what was allowed in that community. Perhaps those rules should also be in the sidebar?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The sticky is a simplified list since people were not reading or comprehending the side-bar. Even with the sticky up, we STILL remove a bunch of trash posts. Images, videos, and yes, Substack.

[–] Schwim@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perhaps you should ask them.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have, I don’t expect a response.

They took down a video that was from a news outlet I posted several months ago and received no response when I asked them.

[–] Schwim@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I see. If they don't answer(unless they're just terribly overrun with contact), I would say it leans toward removing something that doesn't fit their agenda.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't speak for the other mods in Politics, but they did not reach out to me. This is the first I'm hearing of it.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the explanation, fwiw

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Video links are not allowed in Politics, World, or News.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why would a news video be not allowed? Why would it not be acceptable to post a video by a news outlet?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Videos have no accountability, anyone can post up a YouTube video.

These communities specifically state to post articles only. Videos are not articles.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What about videos by news outlets. Eg, the official channel for a local news outlet? Why would that be different than an article?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. No videos. We aren't going through video by video picking winners and losers.

Same for Twitter links, same for blog posts.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So despite coming from the same source and containing the same content, this is unacceptable but this is allowed.

I guess you are free to run your own community in whatever arbitrary and silly way you like. You might consider consolidating your rules - it would probably be a good idea to make sure that the rules on your sidebar are the same as the rules in your pinned post.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Neither would be allowed as the second link is simply a video hosted by MSNBC. No video links are allowed regardless of who produces them or who hosts them.

The Sidebar clearly states to post articles only. The sticky goes into more detail about what that means.

Videos are not articles, neither are twitter/facebook/reddit posts, or blogposts on Substack or any other blog posting platform.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

Which news outlet was it and what was the video about?