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What a shitty country.
President Donald Trump is not considering using a nuclear weapon, The Guardian reported on Wednesday
There’s no need to lose one’s mind over this. The headline isn’t saying a nuke should be used - it’s simply pointing out that a nuclear weapon would be the only thing capable of reaching a facility buried that deep under a mountain. The next best option would be the GBU-57 bunker-buster, but the U.S. would need to use a significant portion of its stockpile, since you’d have to hit the same spot multiple times to drill that deep. And even then, you’d likely only damage one section of the facility, with other parts protected behind blast doors.
US reportedly also forgets the arithmetic of AD and MD efficiency, and the fact that there are countries capable of nuking it in response, and in case it uses a nuke against Iran those will multiply like mushrooms after a rain.
What do those acronyms mean
If they use a nuke on Iran then Russia will start popping a bunch of them on Ukraine. Maybe that's Putin's plan all along, get Trump to drop a nuke so it becomes a free for all.
Anyways, hope you know where your nuclear shelter is and you like canned food and iodine tablets.
I live in Russia, in Moscow, in a kinda golden (in Stalin's time) place, so the shelter is right under me, its ventilation shaft exit is near the playground.
The problem is - nobody knows how the hell do you get in.
I do like canned food. I even had a small stockpile in 2022 when I thought things had gotten real and it's time to prepare. Have eaten through it.
If it becomes a free for all, though, hiding from the physical effects will be easier than hiding from the social ones.
You should start taking notes where D6 is and how to enter, so you can take out the Dark Ones when they appear twenty years down the line.
Western humanity at play
Humanity? I didn't have a say in any of this shit.
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time? I've even heard "the hubris of the west". No, fuck that, the hubris of the few in the West.
Do you realize there's more going on than the US over here? If you mean the US administration, then say the US administration. Why involve everyone else?
Trump just desperately wants to nuke something. Anything's fine, he just wants to drop a nuclear bomb on stuff. I mean, he was floating nuking a goddamned hurricane before.
He's like a toddler that sees a big red button and just HAS to push it, because it's just there and it's so big and red and it will make things go boom!
Project plow share the border?
He should start a youtube channel that tests dropping nukes on various things
While you're not wrong, in general, I personally think this might be an excuse for us not to bomb the place. Trump has got himself caught in a civil war between his own cult members, and he hates not being at the center of attention and obeyed unconditionally. This might be a way to placate both sides. He can tell the pro-war side that he can't use a weapon that'll do the job, and he can tell the no-war side that he's not gonna nuke it.
That way the Orange Jackass can wrench the conversation back to about how "he's more peaceful than anyone's ever seen before" or whatever bullshit he decides to vomit up.
You're giving him waaay too much credit.
All he does is rant and complain, while doing what the Heritage Foundation people tell him to sign.
It isn't anything more complicated than that.
This. His fan base thinks he's playing 5D chess, while the liberals think he's playing chess, but in reality he's being allowed by his babysitters to throw checker pieces everywhere to divert attention.
If the United States drops a nuke, the world needs to unite against us.
The world should do that now.
They kinda already are, looking at Gaza vote in UN.
The West for the most part isn't. Relations between Europe and America have gotten more antagonistic, but for the most part the former is toeing the latter's party line.
I've recently seen a pic with election results in Germany, and it's spectacular - one block leading in former FRG, another block leading in former GDR (AfD), and it's very clean.
If you think about it, "Europe" has lots of political stability. No democratic uncertainty whatsoever. AfD pretends to be that, but really after that map I can't think so.
And the elites are fine with the way US is choosing. They'll just be the next on it, tinker a bit with the new stuff for their own convenience, soften some sharp bits.
It's rather that the rest of the world should unite against the west until it's too late. Pakistan and DPRK should share their nuclear toys so that everyone had a nuke.
The coalition of anti-western states, mostly totalitarian and not very nice, would in some bits work like Curtis Yarvin's (I know it's mostly wrong people dreaming of it) idea of paradise - the right of exit (changing a country among them) would de-facto exist, and every such state having nuclear deterrence would mean that those more attractive for immigrants won't be pressured to stop, which will mean slow evolutionary change for more liberty.
I personally think that (at some point) open immigration is what made the USA more democratic (except racism). Getting more and more different people of non-elite background willing to build a new life is a powerful source of constant hardly predictable change.
It's sad that I can't explain these ideas to people closest to me in their worldview, they are just a bit too conserved in their understanding, and for them I'm picking cannibals over "imperfect civilization" for some abstract benefit. But how is that different from "white man's burden", I'm not sure, except "white man's burden" implied some responsibility for what you're doing, and Kipling was kinda sad the British empire didn't find that responsibility in itself. I think it's the same or worse and the more cynical people understood this earlier.
Dude what are you on about? The previous German government collapsed.
That map you are talking about only represents which party was the strongest in that particular area. It does not specify by how much. In total 5 parties (ignoring that one Nordic minority party seat) made it into the federal parliament and two more parties came close to it.
This is the current federal seat distribution. Note that in Germany constitutional changes require a 2/3 majority. The far right CDU/CSU is extremely hostile to the Left party but so far does not want to embrace working directly with the AfD Fascists although they have done so "accidentally, wink wink" in the past.
Germany is not politically stable. The current government is running around largely headless, on most points directly opposing what they had said just before the election which was solely aimed at blowing everything up politically speaking. There is no long term strategy except for more racist and authoritarianism and a respectful and peaceful transition of power becomes less and less likely while Trumpist tactics are embraced.
The minister of the interior has announced to defy the courts to continue illegal deportations of asylum seekers, claiming that a recent court ruling would only apply in the specific case, despite that evidently not being the case.
The right has been talking about nuking the Middle East for decades. They now have “one of theirs” (a “common man” who believes in the things the common MAGA believes), who is just stupid enough to actually do it. I’m taking things day by day.
Nothing like nuking a part of the world you don't know shit about. They probably think it's a piece of desert with Disney characters (mostly centered around the capital of Agrabah and capable of hiding) and evil terrorists hurting our good Israel.
Beyond parody (for nearly a decade at this point).
Thanks, I hadn't seen that. To be fair if they really have this itch to bomb a city, let it be Agrabah.
That magical energy they are developing can't be only for peaceful uses. They must be stopped! We should oust the current government and help Mr. Jafar be Sultan, I hear he's a very modern and business-friendly guy.
Sorry the be pedantic, but why not link the original source?
Since it’s their inside sources.
Especially, because the original article states „Trump is not considering using a tactical nuclear weapon on Fordow and the possibility was not presented by defense secretary Pete Hegseth and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Gen Dan Caine in meetings in the White House situation room, two people familiar with the matter said.“ while the linked article here implies that this option is considered.
Nuking them to prevent them getting nukes? Why do you think they want them in the first place? Now they will want them even harder. Should try to bribe their way into getting access to US nukes, just need a white supremacist asshole techbro to do the talking and they'll give you whatever you want.
Unleashing megagodzilla just to stop godzilla. So smart you couldnt believe it. Very rational and very cool
Over the series' history, the films have reflected the social and political climate in Japan. In the original film, Godzilla was an allegory for the effects of nuclear weapons, and the consequences that such weapons might have on Earth
That oompa lumpa of ours just wants to drop a nuke. I vote we not and tell him we did. Also all of his press conferences and appearances henceforth will be accompanied by a 90's sitcom style laugh track.
We could just show him videos of nuclear tests and he would probably fall for it. Fucking idiot.
Jokes and laugh tracks are how humans normalize things, if anything it needs to begin with ’attention bajoran workers’ and some eerie music.
I would have to think using nukes on a country that doesn't have nuclear power would be a slam dunk illegal order. Like, I mean, if he says to do it, the guys that make that happen, top to bottom, should say, "No, this is an illegal order, and i am not going to follow it."
If such an order is followed and nothing is forthcoming from some checking force in the federal government, I think i may have lost faith in humanity as a concept. This is the great filter. Can we be trusted as a species?
Upfront: it should be obvious that no sane person wants us to drop a nuke or thinks there's any connotation of "okay" to any aspect of it.
Why do you think it would be an illegal order? There are very clear rules on what makes an order legal or not and, horribly, attacking a nation that poses no real threat isn't on the list. What nations we attack is a policy matter, and the rules are very clear that the military doesn't get a say in policy.
Explicitly targeting civilians for a strike on a city is where the line would be. Targeting something else in the city and deciding the civilians are acceptable collateral damage is right on the line. Legally, it's entirely unambiguously evil morally.
There are checks that keep the president from unilaterally launching a nuke. Unfortunately, the intent of those is to ensure the president is legally competent and actually the president, not to ensure he's wise or rational.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering
The system has been explicitly designed to minimize the risk of conscience preventing a launch. Issue training orders where the firing crews have no idea if it's real or not. Keep them on two week rotations where they don't have access to the outside world so they wouldn't know. Specifically select for people who will follow the order because it's validcand legal, without considering the greater context. People who are legitimately confused but ultimately unconcerned with protests against them specifically doing what they do, including clergy from their own religion. (Actual story of an ICBM operators reaction to nuns protesting and attempting to block access to the missile site he was stationed at)
There is no doubt in my mind that if the order were given and the VP and cabinet didn't remove him, that the order would be followed.
I mean, technically, Congress has to declare wars. But no president cared about this since WW2
I suppose what I mean is that he doesn't just have a big red button on his desk labeled Iran that he can press when he chooses.
We've stood up a system over many years, and he's just barrelled through every norm/law/etc. up to and including having his sentence reduced to 0 on felonies, simply because he's a politician. If we cannot protect ourselves from this man launching a nuclear weapon, or even hold him responsible, then we don't deserve to survive beyond our planet and the resulting catastrophic collapse of society may be the best thing for the universe overall.
If we cannot [...] hold him responsible
Is him launching (or ordering to launch) a nuke considered as an official act? Just asking...
Indeed, on Tuesday Trump said, “I don’t care” that the U.S. intelligence community has assessed that Iran isn’t building a nuclear weapon, according to his own top intelligence official.
He’s gonna drop a nuke like he’s gonna build a wall. 👋 Watch this while I rape your fucking life.
Don't let Kegseth drunk drop it
Shit who's this vputin guy in our group chat?
Putin needs to draw a red line ASAP. If USA thinks they can go there they need to be nuked in return.
Putin would be more than happy for the US to drop a nuke in Iran since it gives him free reign to use nuclear artillery in Ukraine.
And also Russia supplies oil, so Iran out would mean profit
It would mean profit, but it would also mean Putin scared for his life trying to find alternative solutions. Since I'm in Russia, I don't like the idea. Those solutions would probably mean even more total lockdown of everything.