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In an unusual intervention, Trump calls for canceling Netanyahu's corruption trial (www.axios.com)

submitted 6 days ago by MuskyMelon@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

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Birds of a feather

... Also Bibi's buttboy

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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Of course.

There are no depths to which the psychopaths in power will not stoop.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I have a feeling a six foot depth would stop them. Not sure what would follow that.

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

Well played.👍

[–] logi@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Some believe that their journey ultimately takes them to a place much, much lower.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago

Ideally, approximately 6 feet of dirt, once they're down there.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Just a reminder that Netanyahu was about to be convicted and probably sentenced to life in prison before the oct 7th attack happened and then the attack was used as an opportunity to declare martial law. Isreal knew from over a dozen intelligence agencies that the attack would happen.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Straight outta the dictator's playbook

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago

God damn it, I had actually forgotten about that in the decade and a half that seems to have elapsed since October.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Thank the void that Kamala didn’t get elected, right? Righttt??? Gaaaaazzzaaaa

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT GENOCIDE?!? REEEEeeeeEEeEEEEeeeEEEE!

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Oh, drop this shit already. When the Democrats run one shit candidate after another they are going to lose sometimes. Learn to live with it, or get them to offer better candidates. All this whining is getting pathetic.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And when you spend an entire election cycle smugly both-sidesing to the benefit of a fascist, people are going to call it out when the fascist it helped win does the predictable fascist things everyone said they were going to do. Learn to live with it, or get better electoral strategies. The whining is pathetic.

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Have we met? What the fuck are you talking about about? Providing weapons and international support for an active genocide is not a great campaign strategy. You don't win elections by claiming to kill less children than the other guy. No matter how true it might be, it's not exactly going to lift grass roots enthusiasm.

The Democrats let the party deteriorate to the point that Trump successfully ran as the peace candidate, and the workers' candidate. It's fucking pathetic that they just let him run away with that, but how do you counter it while supporting a genocide?

I'm not whining, and I'm not living with it. I'm recognizing that the Democratic establishment is the first enemy that must be defeated before we have a chance to beat the Republicans. Until we have a changing of the guard, the gates will always be insecure.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm recognizing that the Democratic establishment is the first enemy that must be defeated before we have a chance to beat the Republicans.

Yeah good luck with that, your logic is backwards. Republicans have to go first, coming to any other conclusion is absolutely batshit. You don't change the guard in the middle of a siege, that's how you get fascists in the castle. Oh look, that's exactly what happened.

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What guard did we try to change? It was still Pelosi, Schumer, and Kamala Harris who literally ran on not changing anything from the Biden administration. There was no changing of the guard, and yeah, look what happened. Harris ran the perfect establishment campaign, we lost, and the establishment learned nothing.

I voted for Harris. She let us down, not the other way around. Fuck letting them do it again. Even if they got elected, they aren't up to governing this nation as it is now. They don't have the backbone, the imagination, or the leadership to fix what they allowed Trump to do in this country.

Republicans inspire anger and lead people to hate. Democrats inspire nothing and lead people nowhere. Then Democrats are surprised when they can't win because people are angry and hateful. They drove the party and this country into the ground.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Why are you telling us? You're preaching to the choir here bud. Shockingly, lemmings do not determine DNC policy. If you want to complain about that, write DNC leadership. What lemmings can do is vote, and the top comment was directed at those who smugly "both-sides"ed Gaza to discourage voting for Harris. The push for 3rd parties or protest non-voting was an ill-conceived attempt to change the guard.

The Democrats ran their party into the ground, but Republicans are to blame for driving the country into the ground. I cannot conceive of a good faith reason to target the uninspiring neo-liberals before the "populist" fascists.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lemmings do determine DNC policy. We determined policy when we nominated Biden in 2020. I want to make sure the lemmings don't do the same kind of thing in 2028.

The "both sides" thing is generally idiotic, but Gaza is not the ground I would choose to make that argument. Biden was arguably worse on Gaza, even as he pretended to give a shit about Palestinians. You do know it came out that all that pressure he said he was putting on Netanyahu was bullshit, right?

Third parties weren't even a factor in this election. Harris would have needed almost every single third party vote (including the libertarians) to win the popular vote, and that wouldn't have gotten her the electoral college.

It's time for the lemmings to call the establishment to account. This is the time when we prepare for 2028, and we need to do everything we can to destroy the people driving the party into the ground. The people who backed Cuomo in New York are not going to save us.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think you might be ascribing more popularity and influence to lemmings than is justified. I certainly didn't nominate Biden in 2020, but I voted for him because the alternative was worse.

Saying Biden was worse than Trump on Gaza is batshit. One of the very first things Trump did after being sworn in was release all the holds Biden placed on arms to Israel. Those were actual holds, objectively not bullshit. Trump was immediately objectively worse. As was predicted. One side told pro-Palestine protesters to wait their turn to talk, the other revoked their degrees and arrested them. Sure, both sides are bad, but one side is unquestionably worse, and no other candidate stood a chance of winning so their positions are entirely irrelevant.

Clever how you conveniently ignored the second part of "3rd party and protest non-voting". The 3rd party voters have a share of the blame, but most of it falls on the abstainers. Those that showed up to hold their nose and vote Biden over Trump, but didn't do the same for Harris. But really, that blame actually falls on the people that loudly disparaged the Democrats and declared voting for them to be complicit in genocide.

It's time for the people to call the establishment to account, but it's also time for the people to reject fascism and that's a higher priority. I want the Democrats to be a right wing party; specifically, I want them to be the right wing party. Destroying the far-right is more urgent than building the far-left.

Not voting is stupid. Voting 3rd party right now is stupid. Vote lesser evil and encourage everyone to view less evil. If you want to back a leftist, have them infiltrate one of the parties so they can be part of the binary choice. Mamdani is the poster child of effective progressivism: get experience organizing, run for minor local office, run for major local office. Climb the ladder, don't just jump onto the presidential ballot with zero government experience.

The people who backed Cuomo are better than the ones who back MAGA. If you have RCV, go ahead and vote your conscience. Everyone else needs to realize that for now it's a binary choice, and that "everyone else" is the vast majority.

Lemmy is already radicalized. Save your criticisms for the general population.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 5 days ago

Saying Biden was worse than Trump on Gaza is batshit.

I said arguably worse. Trump's rhetoric is certainly worse. He doesn't even pretend to give a shit about Palestinian lives. On the other hand, he doesn't give a shit about Israeli lives either. Because of that, and his dream of a piece prize, he might actually stumble into a better outcome.

One of the very first things Trump did after being sworn in was release all the holds Biden placed on arms to Israel.

Biden put temporary holds on a few weapons, and they were mostly withdrawn before Trump even took office. At the same time, Biden was signing new arms deals to give them more weapons. Also, you never would have seen Biden negotiating behind Israel's back with Iran.

and protest non-voting

What makes you think those votes would have all gone to Harris? Where is your evidence that the non-votes were specifically intended to protest and not just the usual result of a worn out and disengaged public? The 2020 election was high turnout and 2024 was a regression to the mean. I'm sure some people stayed home in protest, but if they were, as you say, radicalized, I think they would have gone third party.

Not voting is stupid. Voting 3rd party right now is stupid.

Did I say otherwise? But you know what else is stupid? Trying to rally voters by calling them stupid. Remember that day your mom refused to buy you the twinkies at the store and you called her stupid? Did you get the twinkies?

Destroying the far-right is more urgent than building the far-left.

The establishment has been saying exactly that forever, and look where that got us. That's a shortcut to nowhere. You can't beat fascism with neoliberalism. It's failing everywhere in the world that it's being tried.

If you want to back a leftist, have them infiltrate one of the parties so they can be part of the binary choice.

Did you see me advocate an outside strategy. I bet you didn't. Know why you didn't? Go ahead, guess.

The people who backed Cuomo are better than the ones who back MAGA.

It's not about moral judgements, it's about cause and effect. The people who backed Cuomo caused MAGA.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’m not whining. I’m enjoying every moment of this. I know you’re suffering. And if you aren’t yet, you will be soon. And I hope every one of you non-voters get what you voted for—fascist reign for the next 50 years.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Who said I didn't vote? I did vote. I voted for Harris, and she failed us. I was ready to get on the Kamala train, then watched day by day as she threw the election away.

Gosh, with your attitude I just don't get why Democrats don't attract more voters.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

She didn’t fail you. The people failed you. Gosh, with your attitude it’s no wonder she lost.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Did you see the same campaign I did? Of course she failed us.

What exactly is the point of blaming voters anyways? Should we nominate better voters in 2028? Blaming the voters in politics is tantamount to giving up.

Yes, American voters and, by extension, American culture has massively deteriorated. You won't get any disagreement from me there. But then you have to wonder how we got this way, and neoliberalism is at the core of it. Neoliberalism is the soil for fascism, and the current Democratic establishment will never stop doubling down on neoliberalism.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey bud, you know it would have been easier with Harris. Trump is a guarantee of ACTUAL fascism for the next 50 years.

Biden should have stepped down early. Harris should have had to win a Primary. Everyone should have towed the depressing party line to prevent Trump from winning.

2028? Really? Are you so delusional to think we will still be voting then? I’m very serious, we are super fucked. It’s over.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I explicitly said that I voted for Harris. Of course Harris would be better than Trump, in a myriad of ways. Why the fuck do you think you have to explain that to me?

Biden not stepping down isn't a coincidence. It was a direct result of the entitlement of neoliberal politicians and the absolute disregard they have for the voters.

I'm not as certain of the overthrow of our election system as you are. Until the election doesn't happen, I will act like it will. If it does happen, will you even remember how badly you got it wrong? I doubt it. You'll probably go back to lecturing voters and thinking that's how to win elections.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

until it’s too late I’ll act like it’s not and place all the focus on the dems instead of the people who will are taking over.

I know that’s not what you said, but that’s how it sounds to me. I don’t think “too late” means “still a chance”

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What the actual fuck? Sorry, I'm not a voice in your head. I don't even think thats an actual sentence.

You want to give up, then give up. That's what Harris did too, so it fits. I'll stand with the fighters.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You’re not fighting anything lmfao. All you’re doing is crying about literally everything. That’s giving up.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

That's not even close to being a reasonable interpretation of anything I've said.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think your statement makes me wrong 🤷‍♂️

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

By your own admission you have given up. You aren't fighting for anything so, your motivations are clearly on venting. Mine aren't.

My intent is to have the best candidate possible to defeat whatever clown the Republicans put up in 2028. I want the Harris campaign to be seen for what it was, the last gasp of failed neoliberal politics. If it's not, then people will believe the same old story that only a "centrist" can beat a Republican. If Democratic voters buy that again, then maybe we will be done. Even then, I won't be giving up.

It's clear that you think this started with Trump, but it didn't. I've been fighting this fight since GWB was president. Over and over Democratic voters bought the establishment's lies. Trump and MAGA are the result, not the cause. Fuck anyone giving the establishment another excuse for their failure.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m older than you.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

More's the pity.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

White lily cowards who care about their own fake moral certitude.

Cutting the nose off to spite the face is so apt. You fucked over all the non-white heterosexual men in America, to ensure Zionist scum have even more free reign.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

I did what again? By voting for Harris? I mean maybe I did, but I wouldn't assume she would have been that bad.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's been pathetic for... checks notes about a year and a half.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 days ago

Trump has never met a crook he didn't like.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 days ago

Just another case of the law protecting those that it does not bind.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey, you need your corrupt cronies to stay out of prison if you're gonna do corruption together.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It could actually stop the war, as it's widely speculated that Netanyahu keeps escalating just to delay that trial.

Obviously it's morally bankrupt, and there's plenty of other levers the US President could use to get the same outcome.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

Why does the trial not continue during the war? Makes no sense.

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 15 points 6 days ago

“Unusual intervention” in the headline threw me off—sure it’s unusual but is it unusual for Trump?

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

It's unusual in a sane world, but just a regular day for this administration

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 6 days ago

Trump writes about "complete elimination of potentially one of the biggest and most powerful Nuclear Weapons anywhere in the World". They completely lost their minds.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

So he's not satisfied meddling in his own domestic affairs, hes now trying to meddle in other countries affairs?

Yeah yeah, us has done it all the time in the past and all that...