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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 116 points 1 month ago (59 children)

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Maybe they think the flooding won’t affect them on their moral high ground.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

They'll never claim an ounce of the responsibility they deserve, the fucking scumbags

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ha ha but You voted for Genocide!

/s

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

So did the protest non-voters, even moreso than the Democrat ones.

The non-genocide position was literally impossible to express no matter what you tried to do.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No it existed. Harris is on record saying she'd like to work towards peace talks.

Which is objectively better than option B: vote GOP "finish them off" and option C: literally doing nothing.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Okay, fine: to the extent that a non-genocide position existed, Harris was it.

But the real point is that even if a person disagrees with you about that, they still should've voted for Harris. She was at least objectively not more genocidal than Trump, and infinitely better on basically every other issue.

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[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But at least we didn't help hurrying along the most recent great extinction!

I wonder if anything we built will last for the next sentient species that arises.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well not voting in the American pres. election (or voting for someone sure to lose) was a half-vote for Donald. That's just math.

[–] torch_and_blanket@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh, no doubt, but a worse foe lurks! Some people voted for Donald Trump.

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.

Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm 100% not equating Biden with Trump. I'm not trying to deny the comolete horror Trump is afflicting of US and non-US citizens right now.

I'm just saying, he's a symptom of a broken system. America will only come out of this situation if it recognises that it needs to make real and lasting change.

The non voters might not help, but they're at least acknowledging this reality. And putting them in the same camp as literal facists is not helping anyone.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm not saying that you're equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into "foundations of fascism" something system.

And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making "real" changes to improve society. But you're still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Protest non-voters accounted for maybe 800k, while RFK accounted for 1.3m.

But sure, let's keep blaming voters instead of the Democrats that chose to represent Republican Lite™.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Republican lite at this moment sounds a lot more refreshing than Republican nazi

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No shit. Trump whispered sweet nothings to those outside his MAGAt base by appealing to affordability and peace. Since then, he's followed through on exactly none of that.

In the past, people like Obama at least lied to Americans about what they would deliver as president, while shortly thereafter doing the same as Trump. Democrats in 2024 couldn't even lie their faces off by speaking to the same points as Trump. Well, Kamala did after first when she brought Walz on board, but that quickly changed come the DNC where she said she wouldn't diverge one bit from Biden.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.

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[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"christians" just do not give a fuck about kids unless they're touching them or oppressing brown ones smfh

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Obviously a clerical error. The decimal place is off. It's supposed to be 0.00

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Whaaaaat...?

The party who put a coal lobbyist in charge of the EPA for Trump's entire previous term did this...?

Nooooo.

/sarcasm

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably a blessing in disguise. If they were funding climate research it would almost certainly be fraudulent science.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They had a corps of competent people with civil service protections who were getting paid out of that budget. They avoided committing fraud during the first Trump administration

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This isn't the first Trump administration. This administration doesn't concern itself with civil service protections.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago

They are trying change things, but there's a good chance basic stuff like measuring CO2 concentrations would continue normally with a nonzero budget

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

🔥La la la 👉🤑👈 not listening 🔥

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 7 points 1 month ago

At some point, all one can do is laugh.

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