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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, well, capitalists forced a camel to smoke cigarettes and advertise them to children.

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

If they can teach kangaroos to smoke think of what they will teach our children avgn-horror

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Okay dumb fucking question here. Why did the ussr keep making papirosy/cigarettes? The state owned company made these things, the tobacco was grown on state owned farms, they could just not.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

it would have been a deeply unpopular move. same as if they'd tried to prevent alcohol consumption.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Okay but they did do that though. Lenin instituted prohibition.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

and then stalin cancelled it. maybe just to make more money and not cos it was unpopular? i dunno.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

I can understand trying it and then deciding it wasn't worth it or something. But they never stopped making cigarettes and in ample supply too. I remember reading that during the collapse of the 90s America were shipping aid packages of cigarettes because privatised companies couldn't keep up with Russian demand for cigarettes and the cigarette rationing was eroding regime support.

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

oohh, I actually didn't know about this. did it have the same effect as here in the US, where booze production was forced "underground" and fostered organized crime? did the Soviet Union have mafia-esque crime rings peddling in black market goods? I imagine they must have. this is very interesting, I've gotta look more into this three-heads-thinking

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

There's a lot to read about Soviet and Russian organised crime. (In fact Soviet organised crime led to the historical event with the best name ever, the bitch wars) I don't know if there's a lot to read about the role of organised crime specifically during the early soviet government, but I'm sure you can find something interesting.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Tobacco addiction is hard to suppress. People already addicted will pay great amounts of money to access black market tobacco if it becomes banned. It can be grown underground like weed

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sure but the same surely applies to alcohol, and they were willing to try not making that.

[–] Edamamebean@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'll preface this by saying it's just a guess, I have no evidence for this idea, but maybe it's because tobacco doesn't cause social disorder in the same way as alcohol. Nobody ever got into a fight because they smoked too many cigs yknow?

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ussr had alcohol? It was heavily restricted but still available

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

The Soviet prohbition lasted from the bolshevik seizure of power until stalin ended it in 1925