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The warning was direct, blunt and left no room for doubt. "We expect all ICC actions against the United States and our ally Israel – that is, all investigations and all arrest warrants – to be terminated," said Reed Rubinstein, legal adviser at the US State Department, before delegates of the 125 member states of the International Criminal Court (ICC) on Tuesday, July 8, at a meeting at United Nations headquarters in New York from July 7 to 9.

If the ICC arrest warrants for crimes against humanity and war crimes issued against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former defense minister Yoav Gallant on November 21, 2024, as well as ongoing investigations into crimes committed in the Gaza Strip and the settlement of Palestinian territory, are not dropped, "all options remain on the table," he declared.

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[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Personally, I think we should go fuck ourselves.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder who the bad guys are

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago

I know, it's super hard to tell from a moral point of view.

I always thought that Killeen civilians was a war crime but obviously it's more complicated than that. Fortunately the US is here to explain things in a calm and coherent manner.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 112 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Israel... And the US.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And the UK and Germany. Two of the supporters in the EU.

Germany has disgusted me, they spent so long trying to make amends they elected a race to superiority. Spineless hypocrites.

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

they spent so long trying to make amends

Did they really though? They worked to appease their guilt but never really dealt with the underlying reasons it happened in the first place.

Most of those that did the dirty work during ww2 just went home after and carried on.

Same with the British. Most people have no idea about how or why all the shit in the middle east started or why it continues.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Yes, about the British and the French - these are countries that still fought small undeclared colonial wars after USSR ceased to exist.

They still fucking do.

Jordan is still not very different from a UK puppet regime.

Also why the West loves Arab monarchies so much - because they don't change anything in inconvenient directions. They sell oil, buy weapons, build nice shit. But their countries are not just staying on one place in terms of democracy, enlightenment and human rights - they are further into medieval shit than they were after liberation from the Ottomans. Then they were sort of "naturally", traditionally tribal and medieval. Not much different from many parts of the world. But since then those puppet monarchies, installed by empires, have been changing their societies in the opposite direction. The West not just supports Muslim religious movements against Leftist movements, the West supports Muslim monarchist and fundamentalist creme-de-la-creme (not) basically Nazi movements like our recent time's ISIS against Muslim republican and Leftist movements. So some Muslim and socialist mojaheds, like those US supported in Afghanistan, are not good enough when guys like HTS are available. Even Egypt's ikhvans, with their democratic component, are not good enough. Only Salafi beheaders in black with their nasheeds.

Germany - at some point their society realized firmly that there are mistakes in the past to be worked through. Unfortunately that was somewhere in the 90s, and in the middle of that process they for whatever reason abruptly decided that they have understood enough and are now a morality specialist nation. Which is why a German often feels entitled to express their opinions on the Holocaust as if their nation were participating in the victim role.

In some sense USSR was a huge spoiler. It took upon itself a lot of hopes of this world, despite Stalin and repressions, and then Brezhnev happened - just covering every budget inefficiency by selling natural resources to the supposed enemy, covering every pipeline hole by buying technology of the supposed enemy, resolving every deadlock between interested local producers by cloning technology of the supposed enemy, and so on. Then after 10 years or so the whole Soviet society and even more its elite were confident in Soviet system's inferiority, and it couldn't end any other way than it did from that point.

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[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml 47 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think it's time for the ICC to start issuing arrest warrants for US leaders, their backers and their repugnant little think tanks

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Member countries would have to divest from the dollar first. We got everyone to use our currencies as a form of stabilizing politics and now we have a group of bad actors using that to their advantage.

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago (6 children)

BRICS is making headway with that.

The US empire is already in decline. What it's allies need to work out is when to jump ship

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

There is no statue of limitations on genocide. And Trump won't be president forever. And younger Americans (i.e. the future) are really fucking sick of Israel's shit.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

No US president has ever faced a war crimes tribunal, despite every one of them killing large numbers of civilians.

Nor will they face one, until like nazi germany, the US is overthrown and its leaders are made to account for its crimes.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And Trump won’t be president forever.

So? The previous administration had the same policy on Israel, as do both parties currently.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The American public used to broadly support Israel. That support has plummeted in the last 2 years, particularly among younger Americans. As they age into a more prominent voting demographic, this changes the types of platforms that politicians run, and win on.

I want to point out that the shift in opinion is more a generational one than left/right one, even though there is a notable difference between the parties.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 2 days ago

The politicians are still payed by aipac, all the already strong support for palestine by people did nothing . People will still vote for the same two zionist parties. Netenyaho is determined to do the final solution . How many more months gazan can survive?

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[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People are still voting for the same two party supporting israel unconditionally

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago

The cracks are really starting to show. The Democratic party is effectively tearing itself apart right now.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yeah, good luck hoping a future murican president will fix this

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They don't have to. They just have to stop blocking other nations from doing so, e.g. via UN vetoes and various sanctions against ICC.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Have any USA president, from any of the 2 allowed parties, ever NOT blocked or vetoed a sanction against Israel or allowed a modicum of dignity to Palestine?

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fortunately when these laws were introduced, they were not applied retrospectively, so settler nations where the genocides kicked off 200 years ago are totally exempt! Phew that was close.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not aware of any laws that have been passed that are applied retroactively. It's referred to as an ex post facto law, and in the U.S. it is prohibited in the Constitution (for whatever that is worth these days).

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[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 71 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yep well considering the US leadership is basically following 1930s Germany as a guide.

The exact reason the ICC was formed. Yeah objections are to be expected.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

The British Empire is most notable on this picture with its glaring absence.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 days ago (2 children)

warns

No; "threatens". Get it right, news headline writers! It's not a warning but a threat.

It's like how most Canadians view America as a threat and not a warning (oh, wait. Maybe we do see it as a warning too, as we have our own soulless charlatan oilman scumbag politicians).

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago

Threatens is when big bad Iran says something mean >:(

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

The way media across the world sane washes and softens Trump will never be something ill understand.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Obey your masters, know your place.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

the most galling thing about this is that most will continue to insist that we're still following the rules based world order.

[–] besbin@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago

The "rules for you not for me" world order is just in effect as usual

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[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

Hague Invasion Act, lets go!

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the "Hague invasion clause," has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world, particularly in the Netherlands.

In addition, the law provides for the withdrawal of U.S. military assistance from countries ratifying the ICC treaty, and restricts U.S. participation in United Nations peacekeeping unless the United States obtains immunity from prosecution. At the same time, these provisions can be waived by the president on "national interest" grounds. "

https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law

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[–] hexthismess@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

Or the US will step up its material support for genocide?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago
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