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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Pantherina@feddit.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

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[–] Neil@lemmy.ml 257 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Arch user here.

My recommendation to noobies is always Linux Mint even though I don't use it.

I use Arch, btw.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 90 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I think Arch is fine, but I'd never recommend it to a new Linux user.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 69 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most Arch users (myself included) don't recommend Arch to n00bs or even light seasoned Linux users if they already are happy with their setup.

But the meme is the meme and I like bullying Arch elitists.

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[–] ProtonBadger@kbin.social 33 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Indeed, besides most linux distributions are fairly equally lightweight and can be customized. I tried 4-5 distros this past January (Arch being one) when I got my new gaming laptop and they all booted in ~9.5 sec for example, and perform equally well in general, they had fairly similar RAM load with the same desktop environment.

Arch is about managing the system as a hobby, which is fine.

One problem here is that new users install Endeavour/Garuda but don't know how to manage updates safely about pacnew/pacsave/etc. So the system might slowly "rot" without them knowing about it because new components use old configs, etc..

I also recommend Mint to new users. I don't use Mint, nor do I use Arch.

[–] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Arch is about managing the system as a hobby

You're thinking of Gentoo.

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[–] PhoenixTwoFive@iusearchlinux.fyi 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Hey, you're on the wrong Lemmy instance. :P

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[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 119 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Isn't archwiki one of the most comprehended wikis for Linux distros out there? If anything, the arch-wiki (to me) has often too many answers for the same problem than the other way around.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

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[–] christian@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I switched like ten years ago because I wanted to learn the details, but in all honesty I still feel like I barely understand anything. Not sure how normal this is, maybe I'm unusually dumb, but I feel like what I've really learned is how to troubleshoot and solve issues by reading documentation and tinkering, rather than understanding what I'm actually doing. I've had a stable system for years but I kind of feel like if a typical arch forum poster looked my system configuration for five minutes they'd be like wtf are you doing.

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[–] stinerman@midwest.social 28 points 11 months ago

I run Debian and I regularly look at the Arch wiki.

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 80 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A lot of new users are coming to Linux not because they like tinkering with their setup but because they are tired of Microsoft tinkering with their setup. For these people Arch will probably never be the answer. That's ok, we should encourage all Linux adoption and the best way to do that is to start with the simple and familiar.

[–] milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean, who doesn't love to have candy crush and facebook automatically bundled with their OS? I mean, I had a fantastic two years waiting for the never combine taskbar feature to be released. The never-ending prompt to make edge my default browser is also utterly refreshing. m$ is so ahead of the game, they even anticipated my needs by shoving onedrive prompts in my control panel. How about that Office 365? Have you tried it yet? No? Well you're missing out my man, in case you change your mind I'm going to put it right there in the front page of settings so you'll never miss it.

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Weird shot at the Arch wiki, which is truly great. I turn to it regularly despite not using Arch.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 73 points 11 months ago (10 children)

heres the thing: as a decade+ software dev, I never want to even think about my distro.

I just want Linux terminal style commands, and Linux style ssh shit to just work in the most middle of the road way as possible. I'm trying to get a job done, not build a personality.

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[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 70 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Wiki do not have answer

?? The arch wiki is one of the greatest Linux resources out there. Sure there may be situations where it doesn't have the answer for something, but for a new user? It has all bases covered.

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

It's actually really great.. if you know how to interpret and apply the information on it to your situation and adapt as needed. A good new user experience it does not make however.

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[–] milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (17 children)

Ex arch btw user here. I noped out and wiped after thinking I had it all nailed down, then I tried to connect my Bluetooth headphones and I came to a grand awakening. I am too old for this shit.

Installed Tumbleweed and been happy ever since.

[–] al177@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 11 months ago

Tumbleweed is boring, and that's why it's wonderful.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I am too old for this shit.

You don't even have to be old; just wise.

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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

For a total newbie, Linux Mint or PopOS are probably the best options. But EndeavourOS is getting there. There shouldn't be any issues during the installation if one sticks to the defaults. Only thing is, it doesn't come with a graphical package manager out of the box. But once that is installed (I think anyone will be happy to write a single terminal command, at least), I don't see why it's any harder to use than any other distro.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I use Ubuntu. It generally tends to be boring stable, which is kinda what I want out of my OS these days. I can still customize it, and even break it if I really get bored, but it's nice to have things just work for the most part.

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[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

I had a friend who wanted to try linux but insisted on arch because it's what I used at the time even though I said they shouldn't and gave many suggestions for better distros. They gave up after about a day and went back to windows. I don't know what they expected, multiple people warned them not to use arch.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 months ago

I will always recommend Debian or Debian based distros to anyone new to Linux. They'll find their way to arch eventually

Arch btw

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I will not stand slander of the arch wiki.

Also start with Linux Mint XFCE (unless they've fixed the stability problems with cinnamon)

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[–] dannii_montanii@beehaw.org 29 points 11 months ago

Arch wiki is the reason I started using Arch. After fixing an install from something I found there for like the 10th time I thought "Why not give it a try"

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 27 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't have any issue with Arch, everything works. But when I try other distros, they are mostly messed up.

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[–] araozu@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the arch wiki doesn't have the answer, I just give up

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The most unrealistic part of this

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[–] drkt@feddit.dk 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

My first ever distro was Arch, over a decade ago.

I just consider it my trial by fire, everything has been smooth sailing since because anything else is easier!

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[–] Titou@feddit.de 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Wiki do not have answer" that's why the wiki is also used by non-arch users ?

[–] Tiuku@sopuli.xyz 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ay this is a funny meme and all but insulting the best linux documentation available was unnecessary

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[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Bruh, if you're going to insist on someone installing arch, at least sit by their side and walk them through it.

Having installed arch multiple times before, I can get a base system with networking and desktop environment up in half a day to a day depending on which DE.

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[–] ethd@beehaw.org 18 points 11 months ago

Ok look I'm not a huge Arch fan either (it's great for learning the ins and outs of Linux but I've gotten to the point that stability is more important than anything to me) but the wiki is the most thorough Linux documentation you can get anywhere. It always, always has the answer, even if you don't use Arch, lol.

[–] neonred@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Start with Debian stable (rock solid, well integrated packaging).

When you feel comfortable and have achieved some experience, switch to Debian sid (rolling release, updates very often, be a bit cautious).

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[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Arch is easy to install; it's a headache to manage.

If you want a stable Arch, you need to check the updates and take very granular control over packages and versioning.

While some nerds may like tinkering with their system in all those ways, for regular user Arch is simply too much effort to maintain.

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[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I always say Ubuntu, to make the haters snap

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

More Endeavour recommendations

[–] corship@feddit.de 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Nvidia?

More like:

Nie-wieder!

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't get the hate arch gets - it's the perfect distro if you want to choose what programs you want to use, it's not meant to be an out of the box experience. Been using it for 3 years, and sure it might take me a couple of hours to set up initially, but after that I don't really have to do anything.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (9 children)

It's awful for most new users, though. They don't even know what the options are, how can they choose anything?

Not every new user is the same but if they are absolute newbies they should start with a user friendly distro, which Arch definitely isn't.

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[–] Chobbes@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I think Arch kind of deserves the hate it gets. I love barebones distros and have been a gentoo user (now on NixOS), and I’ve used arch a fair bit too… I just don’t feel like Arch is a well maintained distribution. There’s all sorts of little things that they can’t seem to get right that other distros do, like that silly issue where they won’t update the arch keyring first, so if you haven’t updated in a while it breaks. In my experience there’s a million little paper cuts like this and I’ve just been kind of unimpressed. If it works for you that’s great! I’ve just been disappointed with it. I get the niche that it fills as the binary “from scratch” rolling release distro, but I think the experience with it is a little rough. I’ve found gentoo more user friendly, which probably sounds bizarre if you haven’t used gentoo, but ignoring compiling stuff, gentoo does an excellent job of not breaking things on updates, and it’s much easier to pin and install specific versions of packages and stuff.

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[–] max641@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Moved from Fedora > Arch > Manjaro > Fedora > Debian. I consider Arch for learning purposes. For troubleshooting / recoveries , that knowledge will be a great help.

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