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ALT text: There's a figure in the post body taken from the Angus Reid poll link. It's a clustered bar graph outlining Canadians' preference for the government to take a "soft" versus "hard" approach in trade negotiations with Trump, given their vote in the 2025 federal election. Amongst Liberal, NDP, and Bloc voters 76-78% favour a "hard" approach with Trump, compared to only 46% of Conservative voters

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[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It will be impossible to make a trade deal with Trump. I think he should put that retroactive DST back in place.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think Carney and co think they have to prove they did an honest attempt before they ask Canadians for sacrifices. They probably fear they may quickly lose support if they don't.

And in my opinion, Carney should lose support on his domestic economic policy if the projected cuts materialize. Not on his negotiations with Trump. Because that's something other parties could potentially address. Trump negotiations are a long shot for anyone.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

The only way Carney is getting back in after the next election is; if PP is still head of the Conservatives, he brings in the new voting system Trudeau promised.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Divided? Only the CPC seem to be divided. Everyone else is firmly in favour of elbows up.

I always thought Conservatives were supposed to be more nationalistic, but it seems they're happy to believe another country's populist. I wish all the wannabe Americans would self-deport, but the US won't take em.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

It would be hilarious to see them all get deported to some random foreign country just for trying, though,

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

As per usual, the Conservative voters are just itching to sell the country out to anybody for any reason.

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Ignore trump and make trade deals with anybody else. FUCK TRUMP!!!

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Making any "deal" with Trump is pointless. He isn't going to respect the terms for more than a week...at best. Anything longer than that, and he'll have already forgotten he signed anything at all.

[–] engene@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

I think we’ve exhausted any good will to make concessions! The experiment is over! It’s time to move on and do all necessary reciprocal actions and focus on our economy. Time to replace the US economy and increase trade with our true allies.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

tRump has said many times, quite clearly, that there is no negotiation that will impact the removal tarriffs. They are there to stay, and only grow punitively. He's not interested in negotiation, he's interested in extortion and appeasement. Conservatives want to paint this as strategic concessions, but that regime to the south has proven time and time again they're only interested in taking. So I suggest we not follow the conservative line and concede bit by bit out of cowardice until there is no recognizable Canada, but instead rally to defend each other and our shared interests separate from reliance on, and cooperation with the US. We all know tRump's ideological daddy is Putin, and I'll leave it to you to google the history of international treatise and compacts with Russia, and specifically his Russia.

If you're STILL acting like there's any good faith coming out of the tRump regime, which is a requisite for actual negotiation, I'd say you're too naive to have an opinion on international trade and foreign affairs at all; and if not that, you actively want to be absorbed by an increasingly fascist regime but are too cowardly to own that sentiment. If it's the latter, just move there, we don't need you.

Meanwhile Europe and Mexico and many other existing international partners can and will fill the trading void resulting from tRump's aggression and deceit; that's one of the benefits of establishing relationships based on real cooperation and good faith dealing, which is arguably Canada's greatest legacy. I challenge you to count the remaining friends of today's USA and tell me how that's helping their internal and global prospects, and tell me how that's expected to turn out for us if we follow their psychotic and self-destructive example.