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Khrushchev gained power by intentionally lying about Stalin, demonizing the socialist project, and implementing reforms that ultimately undermined the centralized system of the USSR, leading to stagnation and collapse. Deng, on the other hand, refused to do so:

Not only did Mao Zedong Thought lead us to victory in the revolution in the past; it is - and will continue to be - a treasured possession of the Chinese Communist Party and of our country. That is why we will forever keep Chairman Mao's portrait on Tiananmen Gate as a symbol of our country, and we will always remember him as a founder of our Party and state. Moreover, we will adhere to Mao Zedong Thought. We will not do to Chairman Mao what Khrushchev did to Stalin.

Whether the socialist market economy of the PRC looks like the perfect ideal of socialism in our heads or not, we must recognize that the same failures caused by Kruschev have not come to pass:

1. Marxism-Leninism/Mao Zedong Thought and Deng Xiaoping Theory are the core of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, rather than a rejection of Mao and historical nihilism.

2. Socialism is upheld in the PRC, the large firms and key industries are firmly in the hands of the state, while the CPC maintains strong control of the medium firms.

3. The centralized system of socialism in the PRC is upheld. Social unity in collective purpose is high, even if there is broad diversity in thought, there is unity in continuing to improve and develop socialism to higher stages.

4. Rather than stagnating due to clunky liberalization undermining the planned economy, economic growth has stabilized and increased, allowing the PRC to commit to vast infrastructure projects and serve as an alternative to US Hegemony from within the global market.

The market reforms are not without their risks, nor their contradictions, but to be good Marxists we must correctly analyze material reality. The failures of Khrushchev and the successes of Deng's market reforms are both lessons in practice. Dogmatism and book worship are to be opposed.

I like that you compare these two in a way that suggests you think they are the same, and that it is ridiculous for people to have different opinions of them despite them taking the same actions.

It works really well as a humorous comparison, because as we all know, the Chinese communist party lost power, the socialist project was utterly dismantled, and the country was broken apart and ravaged by the West resulting in a massive drop in life expectancy, education, and housing, and a massive increase in poverty, unemployment, and alcoholism, just like what happened in the USSR. These are nearly identical situations.

The main problem with trolls and wreckers who pop up here is that they have no education, whether its politics in general or this site's history

So when they start yapping like strawman versions of us, we spot them immediately

Vindicated yet again

holy shit, I've woken up in late 2019

I don't like Dengism in principle, but it worked so I have to adjust my principles to account for praxis challenging theory

Yes.

If you asked me to choose between the USSR under Khruschev and the US, I'll choose Khruschev. If you ask me to choose between the PRC under Deng and the US, I'll choose Deng. That's not so much an endorsement of every single thing they did or believed as it is about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to ideological disagreements or imperfect implementations.

Also, the same idea can be good under certain circumstances and bad in others. That's the whole point. Marxism isn't about a certain set of policies, it's a materialist, class based method of analysis, specific policies should be developed based around specific circumstances.

I mean one major difference on the latter point is that Deng criticized Mao, but he never deMaoized the party. He did target the Red Guards and the Gang of Four, but he was selective. Khrushchev effectively killed as much Soviet patriotism and pride as he could in order to make his position more secure personally, at the cost of institutional legitimacy

As Vladimir Lemon once said "socialism is when you get rid of markets and the fewer markets there are, the more socialism there is"

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Ah, but there is a difference.

Write this down: we will never do to Mao Zedong what Khrushchev did to Stalin at the twentieth Congress of the CPSU.

From an interview with Deng many years ago: https://redsails.org/deng-and-fallaci/

Likewise, the notable difference is Deng's reforms fucking worked. China is the world's largest economy and is still run by the Communist Party. The Soviet Union uhhhhhhh isn't around anymore.

This all you do?

It's like I'm really on the moretankiechapo discord in its heyday but in reverse lol