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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 174 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Pre-smartphone was a very different time.

[–] hansolo 104 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

There were literally phone numbers you could call and someone at a library would look up the answer to your question. In like, a day or so. And call you back with the info.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I want this job so bad. Do you know how much I know but never get asked about! I have to inflict it apon people to get it out ofy system.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Pfft, I bet you can't even tell me one interesting thing about minerals

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Does Bronze count as a mineral for these purposes? If so did you know that the earliest form of bronze was arsenical and that large amount of copper deposits used during the copper and bronze age were contaminated by arsenic. This is probably what resulted in early blacksmiths being shamans, because they poisoned themselves while making their tools and went crazy.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll allow it, because A. interesting. and B. I can use my preplanned response:

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Can the trap be a glacier? I want future archeologists to dissect my corpse much like how Ötzi who was probably a metal shaman based off of his tools and how far travelled he was. Though he was most likely a very early example, also he was most likely murdered.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Interesting exception: in North America around the Great Lakes, pure native copper was widely available at the surface due to the ice sheets exposing underground deposits when they advanced/retreated.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

The Great lakes copper complex also used cold forging which avoids the issues of vaporization. Can't have your brain melted by vaporized materials if you never melt it down or cast it, though thats only possible due to the relative purity of the more veins.

Also the Great lakes copper complex most likely kicked off due to the collapse of trade routes making getting good quality stone for tools a right pain in the ass.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought mercury was more likely for causing those "issues."

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

While that may have been an issue for some the sheer amount of arsenic bronze artifacts kinda points in the direction of it being the arsenic. Mercury was more of an issue for later cultures who used it for makeup or other sundries, or alchemists and Medicare but they played around with questionable materials all the time.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

They're rocks, Marie!

... Wait, that's not right.

[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I bet their apple knowledge isn't up to snuff either.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Here's a cross-over mineral and biology:

Teeth are not bone. They are made of a variety of the mineral apatite called hydroxyapatite (fluoride treatment converts some of it into fluorapatite, which has stronger chemical bonds).

Further, apatite is a homophone for appetite but they come from completely different root words.

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[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I have a friend who works for a library. They still offer this service. I don't think anyone under the age of 70 has used it in some time.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We texted Chacha (242242) when I was in high school. It just sent the question to some dude on their computer who looked up the answer and texted you back. I still have no idea how they made money.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

I still have no idea how they made money.

That's the neat part, they didn't.

They wanted to pivot to ads, or paid subscriptions, but neither revenue stream really materialized for them.

Google had a text to search service, too, that didn't make money, but turned out to be pretty valuable user data for developing smarter semantic search.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago

That would have been such a fun job to have

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

But what if the game show only gives me 30 seconds

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Kinda live on too

Your local library will help or (US, national)

Library of Congress: ask.loc.gov

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really wonder what the other people thought, that they just landed on the core of their body? I suppose they could defecate while in flight, but man that would be a drag.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Probably comes from the old tale that hummingbirds never stop flapping their wings or they die so why would they need feet?

Hummingbirds, the real Speed and Crank stars.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

hummingbirds never stop flapping their wings or they die

Same with sharks

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow, I never knew sharks had wings.

/s

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

How can you be sure are you a sharkologist?

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[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Apparently as many dumbasses around back then as now.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a widespread idea that people from the past were dumb due to a lack of information, the age of smartphones and free access to information has made it clear that a lack of information was never the issue, we are just really fucking stupid animals.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean, yeah, but also we made machines to feed us interesting things and it turns out we really like to be mad for some reason (justified or otherwise) and we'll share things to make others mad too. Throw in a profit motive, economic woes due to said profit motive, and it's over.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Part of our animal nature is to be tribalistic, and we don't often get a lot of that in our daily lives so that people find ways to feed that need. Tribalism involves violent intent about outgroups that don't conform to our "tribe" (read: pack).

[–] Wolf 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Warning: Rant

There are two meanings to the word "Tribalism". One sense of the word just describes people living in tribes. The second meaning involves discriminatory behavior or attitudes towards out-groups, based on in-group loyalty.

There is a perhaps understandable tendency to conflate these two meanings. For one they are spelled and pronounced the same. We aren't really taught a lot about tribal cultures, and we just kind of assume things. Also our 'cultures' have been teaching us tribal people were savages and we did them a favor by conquering them.

I'm not claiming that they don't correlate to some extent. Of course you are going to have a preference for the people in your tribe over the people not in your tribe. You know those people, you are around them a lot and can personally vouch for their character. People not in your tribe are strangers and not immediately trusted. That much is true.

What I take issue with is the idea that Tribal people automatically hated anyone not in their tribe (out group) and had violent intent towards them. Also, equating being in a tribe and being in a pack is dehumanizing.

Yes, there was sometimes conflict with neighboring "Tribes", but for the most part tribes stuck to their own territory and didn't cause problems for other groups. Tribes often coexisted peacefully near each other for hundreds of years. This was advantageous in that it gave us trade partners and potentially ways to get new genes into the gene pool. Plus unnecessary fighting is just a good way to end up dead for no reason.

Typically tribal people settle on their territory pretty quickly and it's usually enough or more than enough to provide for the needs of the tribe- so there was little need to encroach on other peoples territory. Also when conflicts did arise, it very rarely escalated into 'Total War', where the goal was to kill/subjugate the members of the other tribe and take over their territory, because A) that's a good way to get a lot of your own people killed, and B) they had their own territory so they didn't need more.

Ironically, it was the invention of "modern" agriculture and "Civilization" that really kicked off the second type of tribalism. Modern (aka Totalitarian) style agriculture is extremely efficient. As such it nearly always produces a surplus of food (barring droughts, blights, and other natural disasters). When you introduce a surplus of food into a population- it has he effect that the population size increases along with it. Once you get more people than the land can support, then you do need more territory.

Another effect of 'Civilization' is that you see full time soldiers for the first time. In a tribe practicing subsistence living, your job would typically be something related to the daily survival of the tribe. Hunter, Gatherer, Cook, Crafts-person etc. If 'War' broke out then all of the able bodied Men and sometimes women would become 'Warriors' for the duration of the conflict. Again, since there was relatively little conflict there was no need to have people who were warriors exclusively (soldiers). With 'civilization' you can pay some people out of the surplus of food to guard the food.

So what happens when you are a large group of people, made powerful by the new technology and you find yourself in need of more land to farm? You take it- typically from the tribe next door. Only now the goal is 'Total War'. You want to kill or subjugate everyone in the territory you are tying to conquer. The problem is that they are human beings and you are human beings- so how do we get normal people to want to fight and kill their neighbors? The second form of Tribalism. That group is bad. They are uncultured swine. They are subhuman in some way because they are different. That's the kind of attitude you have to foster about other people to get your people to agree to conquer them.

Pretty much the entirety of human history sees the same scenario play out. 'Civilized' groups 'other' tribal people and systematically wipe them out and/or conquer them and appropriate their land. It wasn't until Europe/Asia had basically ran out of tribal people to conquer that nations started to go to war with each other.

The same thing happened with civilizations that arose in the New World, Mayans, Aztec's, Inca etc. It's no coincidence that these cultures relied heavily on agriculture.

What is my point? It's that 'Tribal' people are less 'tribal' than civilized people. It's the civilized people who are savage.

Why does this matter? We tend to forget that for the vast majority of human history we lived tribally. It's kind of easy to forget that because people didn't start recording history until right around the same time as civilizations were invented.

What am I trying to say? It's not "a part of our animal nature to be tribalistic", automatically hating anyone not in our in group and harboring violent intent about them.

Further evidence, look at modern attitudes towards tribalistic thinking. Despite living in the more savage mode of living- a large percentage of humans have woke up to the fact that tribalism is bad, short sighted, bigoted, and unfair. Take some very young children and put them in a playground together and they will play. They don't form little cliques based on superficial characteristics or 'culture'. We have to be taught to hate each other. We have to be told the reasons why it's ok to discriminate or subjugate others.

Tl:DR Nope. Respectfully of course.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

You are taking what I've said far to literally. I wasn't writing my dissertation, I was making observations. I also did not infer that being tribalistic makes you hate outgroups, but in the sense of "tribes" yes they have always had violence inherent to them, because we live in a violent world. Bears can kill you, moose can kill you, other tribes can kill you. It comes from protectionism more than hate, but that notion gets compromised by bad actors pushing an agenda.

There have always been things to fight for. The good hunting grounds, the good fishing grounds, the safest places to camp, etc... violence isn't always a bad thing either, it is a necessary part of living in a diverse world. You can't reason with a fire, or a bear. You can avoid them, but that's just protectionism again. I never implied tribalism is bad, I implied it's a part of our nature. Humans are pack animals that have always lived in family groups and fought to protect the sanctity of that group from outside forces. Civilization is the act of forgetting the past to damn the future. It's not what it is supposed to be, but that's what it has become. We use our "civility" as a cudgel to beat those who think/live differently.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You would NOT believe-… ok honestly everybody reading this already knows.

But there are SO many people that will offer confident unprompted incorrect advice on so many subjects while they have the sum of human knowledge in their pocket. Or they will ask some dummy for the answer while having that same access.

And the best part is that many of them use their literal human knowledgebase portal to send the wrong information!

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[–] sewer_socialist@midwest.social 84 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the opposite outcome of one of my friends advisors. We went to the Roswell UFO museum as a lark. And one of the info panels said "this is potential alien metal panels, analyzed by a scientist, Dr. So and So" and we told the professor, who got really angry. "I said that I would look at what they had and it was all flattened pieces of beer cans, I told them not to associate me with this nonsense!"

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're saying he did analyze the metals, and that he couldn't conclusively prove that they weren't alien metal?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

This whole "it's comprised of an unknown element" thing that sci-fi likes to do is ridiculous in and of itself.

If aliens did turn up on Earth their starships would be constructed out of known materials, sure it might be some exotic alloy, or other engineered metamaterial, but we definitely understand what it was.

There's no such thing as alien atoms. Iron is iron.

[–] pishadoot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the most crazy thing we could potentially encounter atomically (that we theorize about but haven't seen) is material from the possible "Island of stability" that could be (much) farther along in the periodic table from things we've created.

For the uninformed, the island of stability is a range on the periodic table with atomic numbers in the ~170's (currently the element with the highest atomic number - how many protons in the nucleus - that humans have synthesized is Oganesson, with an atomic number of 118) where it is believed that nuclei will remain (more?) stable, rather than breaking down in microseconds after we slam other elements into each other with devices such as the Large Hadron Collider.

There are SO many challenges with even getting to 118. Getting higher than that is theoretically possible but so far we haven't worked it out. A super advanced civilization might have the means and/or dedicated the resources, and be the beneficiary of whatever properties exist in the advanced/exotic matter that we know nothing about.

That being said, we would still be able to analyze the materials and understand what we're looking at, even if our WTF meters are breaking from the overload because we don't know how they managed to achieve it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability

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[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm still not convinced alien technologies would be totally incomprehensible to us. Some of it obviously will, but their tech will still adhere to basic fundamentals like levers, inclined planes, and wheels -- as well as fundamental forces like electromagnetism, kinetic energy, and pressure.

When you need to fasten two parts of machinery together, there are a limited number of efficient ways to do it. I fully expect bolts, nuts, and washers to be a universal technology. Same with focusing radiation; there are not many substitutes for lenses, mirrors, and lasers. When you need to move something around in gravity well, you're always going to need a wheel. If something needs to rotate, there aren't many substitutes for a rotor, stator, copper windings, and electricity. Gears, chains, and belts work just fine for transferring that rotational energy. Nobody is gonna go looking for exotic forces to perform tasks that can be far more easily accomplished conventionally.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Not wheels. When your technology is sufficiently advanced you un-invent the wheel and just hover everywhere.

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[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I imagine everyone in the bar silent while he's on the phone, leaning forward, waiting to hear the answer.

[–] lemmyknow 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

my advisor: …yes

Girl stacking cups in the background: OH MY GOD!!!!!!

[–] Stache_@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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I have to wonder how much money was made, and what happened to the poor fool who bet against this.

[–] IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh wow, to be jump scared by the Destiel fanfic writer I'm obsessed with (the stories not the person lol) in the wild.

Northern Sparrow is an amazing writer and talks often about bird physiology in her fics!

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

well yeh it's fiction. because birds aren't real.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

!justguysbeingdudes@lemmy.world

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just goes to show this place is only one half step up from reddit.

This ancient repost keeps getting upvotes no matter how many times it comes up.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It may be ancient but has it stopped being good?

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[–] Beebabe@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I have two trainees and when they come to me with complex questions they’ve clearly thought out and debated it makes me so happy.

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