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Israel’s Gaza War Is One of History’s Worst Crimes Ever (jacobin.com)

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https://jacobin.com/2025/08/israel-gaza-worst-crimes-ever

Israel’s Gaza War Is One of History’s Worst Crimes Ever

BY BRANKO MARCETIC

Israel’s war in Gaza combines a staggeringly high death rate, shocking violence toward children, unparalleled physical destruction, and now a world-historical famine. The world has, by objective measure, never seen anything like this.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 65 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Isreal is not entirely to blame for this historic war crime

The entire western world stood by, watched it happen, lied about it, denied it, funded it, financed it and ignored it until it was so overwhelmingly obvious that they were obligated to say something because history would point out their complicity .... but even now, the majority of the western world just cautiously wags a finger at Isreal as 'one of history's worst crimes' continues as the world watches.

It's like watching someone getting beaten with a baseball bat in public, in full view of everyone .... and absolutely no one wants to do anything about it.

This isn't Israel's fault .... the entire world, all of us are at fault for allowing it to happen.

Not only are we destroying ourselves with global warming .... we distract ourselves from that reality by being as inhumane and disgusting to ourselves as possible. We should go extinct .... we bring no good to the world or ourselves.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Israel wasn't forced to do this, they can stop at any fucking time.

[+] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world -30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

To be fair, Hamas CAN release the remaining 50 hostages at any fucking time as well. I think it's gets forgotten that they are still holding on to Israeli citizens after nearly 2 years. I spent my highschool years living in Israel and then (90's) Hamas were blowing up busses and vest bombing malls.

I'm not saying that I agree with what is absolutely turning into a genocide, but the situation is more complicated that you think. Hamas has been operating freely as a terrorist organization for over 30 years. They have killed thousands of Israeli citizens. The gazans, and Hamas specifically, are being used by Iran as a cheap proxy war. The intention here was to provoke an overreaction from Israel to turn public opinion against them. Netanyahu took the bait.

Israel is absolutely going too far in its response, but imagine if people from New Jersey spent 30 years crossing state lines just to kill and terrorize people from another state. Imagine new Jersey openly calling for the death of American citizens and forming militias with child soldiers to brainwash them into su*cide attacks. Then the governor coordinated with China to take hundreds of hostages from new York that they refuse to release. Would you want our military to just stop putting pressure on the new Jersey government to release the hostages because their people are dying?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Netenyahu said they will continue the genocide after the hostages releases. Nothing justify genocide either

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

None of that justifies the ongoing genocide. And when you list things Hamas did since the 90s you must also list things Israel did.

The intention here was to provoke an overreaction from Israel to turn public opinion against them. Netanyahu took the bait.

This feels wrong. As if Iran was responsible for Israel comitting genocide. If anybody is co-responsible, it's the USA.

imagine if people from New Jersey spent 30 years crossing state lines just to kill and terrorize people from another state. Imagine new Jersey openly calling for the death of American citizens and forming militias with child soldiers to brainwash them into su*cide attacks. Then the governor coordinated with China to take hundreds of hostages from new York that they refuse to release.

This comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Totally fucked up. And totally ignoring the plight of a people being robbed of its country. New Jersey and New York are equal states in the USA. And China? I guess that's supposed to be Iran? Again, what about the USA bankrolling Israel's military almost since its creation, and therefore sharing the responsibility for all Israel did to Palestine and Palestinians?

[–] ngcbassman@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

Sorry, but this is not complicated, basically a colonization process supported by western imperialism. Zionists from the beginning were really clear with their goal, create an Israel state and remove through ethnic cleansing the indigenous people that was living there (palestinians) and this started more than 100 years ago, what we are seeing now is the final stage of that plan with a genocide in Gaza.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 3 days ago

You don't get to hold the innocent civilians responsible for a government which they didn't vote for did because most of them weren't born when it was elected, especially not when that government was elected thanks to interference from the attacking party

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 days ago

I'd want your military to stop occupying New Jersey and keeping it on the brink of economic collapse. Until that happens, New Jersey absolutely gets to call for the deaths of American citizens. Colonized people have the right to resist, even if Hamas targeting civilians helped and helps no one. Until they get full, unconditional liberation, Palestinians would be well within their rights to kill every member of the IDF.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

People who think genocide is justified by an occupying terrorist group have worms in their brains.

Like, I know Kennedy popularized this, but they are bad for you and you need to start thinking critically again.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Isreal is not entirely to blame for this historic war crime

I don't think "the rest of the world let me do it" removes any blame or responsibility from Israel... it only adds blame and responsibility to the rest of the world, deservedly so

[–] zero@fek.xyz 17 points 4 days ago

It's like watching someone getting beaten with a baseball bat in public, in full view of everyone .... and everyone gave that someone a spiked baseball bat

Just made a slight correction there.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i don't know about the worst but it's definitely getting up there, depending on whose number you believe

https://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

[–] zero@fek.xyz 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It would definitely be up there if the numbers were number of deaths to population ratio.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 days ago

Also you gotta multiply the Gaza death number by at least 4, likely even more, to account for indirect deaths and missing-but-realistically-dead people, so in reality you're looking at more than 10% of Gaza dead and a good chunk of the rest wounded, many permanently.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It’s difficult for me to weigh crimes at this scale. Would it be worse to kill 80% of Chinese people or all Brazilians? Many more people would die in the former situation, but a culture would be more fully erased in the latter. Obviously there’s some subjectivity involved, so I’m not looking for an answer, it’s just hard for me to actually grasp the enormity of these types of crimes.

[–] zero@fek.xyz 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right, crimes of this scale almost defy comprehension, and trying to weigh them feels both necessary and impossible. It’s horrific to realize this is all happening in real time, in front of us yet, as unthinkable as Gaza is, it’s tragically not isolated. Places like Sudan and Mali etc are also facing famine and conflict, often unfold off the front page. It’s overwhelming, but I believe that bearing witness, and refusing to look away even when our understanding falls short, is still essential.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely, this is unfortunately not the only genocide currently being attempted, nor are genocides the only seemingly immeasurable hurt that we’re currently committing against humanity.

I’m an immigrant in Germany, and even after visiting concentration camps and seeing multiple Stolpersteine (memorial plaques) per block in most cities, the massiveness of the holocaust still hits me in waves.

You’re right that we need to weigh these types of crimes, and their scale is not an excuse to bury our heads in the sand.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

What can we do now? Raise our voices to be heard? Do we take it in turn, Israel protest on Mondays, Sudan on Tuesdays?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Funny thing: that murder is also a case of the newspapers openly lying about what happened, rather than some proof of human callousness.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So why are they still calling it a war? It's absolutely fucking not and it's an insult to the victims of genocide to call it war.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Tanks rolled through Rafah and Biden claimed that it wasn’t an invasion so Netanyahu didn’t cross his “red line.”

It’s obviously worse than a war but they won’t call it an extermination.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A settler colony founded on racial supremacy has reached it's logical conclusion.

Shame on the West for supporting this evil.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

On the lower end of estimates, Israel has dropped more than 70,000 tons of bombs on Gaza since the start of the war. That’s the equivalent of roughly six Hiroshima bombings on an area less than half the size of Hiroshima, but with six times its population.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Reading this article is so horrific, I had to stop midway.

What we can safely say is that Israel at this point is objectively worse than ISIS

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Zionism ia a new Nazism.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Zionism is older than Nazism.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, but they were ineffective. Today they are efficient murderers and war criminals. Zionism is an anti-human ideology that is on the same level as Nazism.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

I'm sure especially Israelis, many of whom politicians, have said this many times over the years.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The lessons of history are too easily selectively interpreted.

Them having been the subject of the most publicised and studied genocide does in no way give them a pass to do one.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

the world, by objective measure.. ..the world has never seen anything like this.

This really weakens the opinion piece, as it attaches a quantitative quality that can easily be attacked. (Two world wars would easily dwarf this)

That said, article goes on to clarify that the numbers and statement are relative to all other conflicts in this century, which is more precise. And most likely factual.

To strengthen the summary, it should clarify that it is comparing to conflicts in this century, although this does make it less sensational.