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Republicans are the Fascist Party, Democrats are the Conservative Party; Dem Soc are the moderate party. We don’t have a left party in the US.
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Hey guys,
Remember when we found out Russia and China were manipulating us into fighting between left and right, and now they’re dividing the left into 2 camps that are supposed to hate each other?
Yeah.
Yeah.
.ml leading the charge on this.
I see a lot of other really suspicious shit around Lemmy. I have a suspicion it's trying to be used like r/the_donald was.
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Lol. Yeah im sure that it's China and Russians who are causing leftist to not trust liberals. The last 300 years of human history in which liberals gleefully murdered leftists has nothing to do with it.
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This is all bullshit.
Who fucking cares about these definitions? All y'all have the same damn enemy. Worry about the enemy first. Iron out disagreements over terminology once the fascists are gone.
It's so weird that people spend so much time debating this pointless garbage.
Oh, the problem is much deeper than definitions. One group is socially progressive but economically right. Then, the other group is both progressive on social and economic issues. The economic policies is where the rift is.
Edit: wording
And the economic right have had all the power for the last god knows how many election cycles... They've been chasing the unicorn moderate that would somehow vote Democrat, which doesn't exist, but in doing so they lose the "left" vote.
Those "centrists" and "moderates" are conservatives that are disgusted by the GOP, but would never vote for Democrats because they don't agree with their policies. They have no party but the economic right liberals keep trying to attract them... Hopefully now with the change in DNC leadership they'll stop this losing game and actually be what their voters want them to be.
The "unicorn moderate" used to exist, and they grew from post-war up to the early 2000s. They were called the middle class. Back then when the middle class was much more prominent and bigger, they could still afford both private healthcare and keep up with the cost of living. One of the key litmus test of being "moderate" is the survey on affordable healthcare. In early 00s, socialised healthcare was deeply unpopular. However, it was from during and after the Great Recession of 2008 that the middle class shrunk and recognised that people need more public assistance. Affordable healthcare became increasingly more popular as time went on.
Rent have also become almost unaffordable since the recession. Ever since then, many proposals and plans to create affordable housing were made but have been blocked not just by corporations, but also by individual homeowners who don't want their house prices to go down. And one of the hard to swallow pills is that many of them are liberals. One could easily search online of affordable housing being voted down in California and New York, states that are liberal strongholds.
There is a reason why Zohran Mamdani's New York mayoral campaign is more widely successful than other Democratic candidates. He is addressing the growing cost of living by wanting to cap rent prices and providing government run grocery stores, which made him popular among the poor. Because the middle class shrunk and people had been shoved into fringes of poverty. The "moderate" voters that the Democrats are chasing is no longer there. At this day and age, "moderate" for centrists and neoliberals means the wealthy, while pretending that the word means the middle class voters from 2000s.
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No,
I think we've decided this. The left (rightfully) hates the Democrats.
Yes, but I hate Trump more.
An inch of gained ground is better than a mile of lost ground.
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american believing they have a left, Center left is the extreme end of the left in america, theres no lefter than that. most of them are on center right.
I'm sure there's an actual Left in the USA, but it's not covered by any of the big parties.
We have two viable political parties.
Fascist extremists and their enablers. Vote blue no matter who, so maybe the fascists won't come for you.
We have leftists with no one to vote for, shut out of politics by liberal NIMBYs who want good things to happen, they just don't want to see them. More concerned about the value of their house than the value of human life. We have extreme leftists, they're just not allowed to participate. And as of yet, none of them exist in enough numbers in the same place to start throwing Molotovs
There is no far left political party but there are plenty of people who are far left. Yes, even by the European standards of the left.
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We can be friends until the fascists are out of the government, then we need a social democracy and a ban on far right parties amongst other things.
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Man, how fucking right wing do you need to be to consider liberalism to be left wing?
American.
Fuck outta here, liberals shit on the left as much as conservatives do.
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Do not split.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
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Americans sometimes use the two words to mean the same thing. So in that context it's not as confusing but when they're speaking with non-Americans it can cause issues and clearer terminology would be nice
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Any "left" that doesn't promote human rights can fuck right off back to the dictatorship it came from.
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Remove the American part. The right has found a nice way to divide the left and they're using it everywhere. If you find yourself hating everyone, using vitriole toward people on your side, stop and reflect that you're the problem.
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