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This makes me 😭

UPDATE: Thanks @nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de for this update: The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense. But it appears the OP wants to still talk with maintainer privately about it.

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[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 218 points 11 months ago (7 children)

If a website won't allow me to register with my protonmail , I will just not used that website.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 84 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yep.

I've already run into a few. I mentally thank them for preventing me from wasting my time and money with them.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Is this going to be the response every time this shit happens until we're all just sitting on Lemmy twiddling our thumbs? The arrogance feels like it's downplaying the seriousness of the problem, and it's annoying to see it recited so much.

In a lot of cases, you may not have a choice of using the site or not. In cases where you do have a choice, eventually most if not all the alternatives can do the same shit if it becomes normalized.

API is letting these types of filter lists become shared easily, too. Sites may not even make a conscious decision to filter out proton, it may just happen because their filters are pulling from lists like this.

The problem is the trend. And try as you may, you can not fully escape that.

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[–] micka190@lemmy.world 126 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Damn, that guy's fucking dumb lmao

But also, is 7c/fakefilter even popular? It seems to barely have a following on GitHub to begin with. Seems pretty over the top to claim that PM and SL (and any other provider on that list) will get blocked from registering on websites.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 31 points 11 months ago

And reading the project description the domains aren't even added manually. So the whole issue isn't needed at all. Might explain why it's been there since October.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago (14 children)

Sick of sites requiring an account, email or phone number. Makes the web even more unfriendly. I hope temporary emails can always get around filters, as if you play stupid games you should win stupid prices.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I was in a club and had to open an account to open a tab, they asked me for my government number ID, pretty standard, but then they started asking for phone number, age, email, Instagram account and I was like wtf, I just want a bottle of water!

[–] Senshi@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Where do you live that providing your government id to a business is standard? In Germany, the only one outside of a judge to be allowed to request that is law enforcement ( even then only with proper cause ). Of course, some businesses are legally required to request and process your ID number ( e.g. when booking international flights, medical insurance companies etc), but these are under tight federal control and supervision to ensure data safety.

Age verification sometimes is a thing for purchasing 18+ things ( media or drugs like alcohol & smokes), but even then businesses will only ever perform a visual check of the date of birth on your ID. Technically they can never demand to hold your ID, not even for a short time just to better read the date. You only have to show them your ID. And actually recording and/or storing any of that information would be insanely illegal.

Germany / Europe might have its issues, but we at least try and take our freedom and data privacy serious. I would never dream of handing my ID to a generic business like a club for anything more than the age check.

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[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

they asked me my government number ID, pretty standard

How very dystopian.

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[–] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 104 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

If you want my personal take:

It's very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.

I'm not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking... but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.

(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 41 points 11 months ago (13 children)

What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

These lists are used by platforms to try and cut down on spam/bot account signups. This isn't a thing done for signups by the vast majority of platforms out there, but the API verification steps IS becoming more prevalent I suppose. I just got rejected for using a Protonmail domain to buy something outright on a very popular pet supplies platform the other day, but...eh.

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[–] helpmyusernamewontfi 97 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it's needed to block them. It's like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more. I do hope they won't cloud your judgement @7c , as these services are used for temp emails by all definitions. If you have any questions you may always ask me from the conversation we have started :)

Shit like this is what makes me want to pull my hair out at night

[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Yea, I guess it's impossible to make burner gmail accounts too...

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[–] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 96 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Am I the one one thinking this post is blowing the topic way out of proportion?

The post title is clickbait in its purest form: nothing is being blocked (from what even). There is a single issue raised on some obscure filter list... This has no consequences whatsoever. I am wondering why Protonmail even bothers to comment on this issue...

[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 95 points 11 months ago (2 children)

OK simplelogin you can make an argument there, very stupid one though.

But protonmail and tutanota, wtf ?!?

Just because an email provider is privacy focused and offers custom aliases means all it's emails are spam ?

Fuck this shit.

[–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 46 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I wonder what happens when they find out that you can do my.name+alias@gmail.com

[–] helpmyusernamewontfi 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they seem to have it "covered"

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[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 89 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense.

Hilariously, the issue creator still hasn't given up and is now trying to communicate with the maintainer privately. πŸ™ƒ

I'd really want to know what's driving them. Surely no sane person would be this persistent without some ulterior motives?

[–] varsock@programming.dev 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I'd really want to know what's driving them

likely ego

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago

It appears that the Github user GalacticHypernova is not a contributor to the 7c/fakefilter project - just someone asking for some domains to be added. The current list does not contain proton.me or protonmail.com.

I suppose this might be a reasonable litmus test for the reliability of that list.

[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 69 points 11 months ago (5 children)

The one who opened an issue is either 13 years old and dumb as a log or a troll (also dumb as a log) and this project is barely used, like at all

So please, don't give them attention

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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 59 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The whole exchange between the ProtonMail person and the repo maintainer is wild. The maintainer is clearly grinding and axe and pretending we should thank them for it https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73#issuecomment-1785182508

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

That dude's not even a maintainer, just some rando who apparently doesn't like protonmail.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine having that little happening in your life

[–] verysoft@kbin.social 59 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lil bro asks for discord instead of using email ahaha

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Email is for boomers duh

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[–] LWD@lemm.ee 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] kia@lemmy.ca 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why does anyone care? The npm package has 3,712 weekly downloads. They're trying to act like it's some mainstream package that a lot of companies rely on, but nobody uses it...

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm tired of watching bad ideas grow into industry standards.

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[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Funny, considering I've moved over to a paid proton account as my primary email, and my former primary email/Gmail account, with its ability to instantly become infinitely many disposable email addresses, is now used as exactly that. This same procedure occured many years ago, when I made my yahoo email into the disposable junk mail home, and my shiny new Gmail became my primary. I wonder how many years it be until proton becomes my disposable, and some as-of-yet to be created service becomes my new primary email. Or maybe email will finally be dead by then, and we'll use something else entirely.

I will say, even after all of these years, and using the living shit out of my Gmail account in many, many places, I still only get two or three spam emails at most during the entire year.

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[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 41 points 11 months ago

as someone who uses protonamil as my main email, this is very disappointing

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Based on this other issue by the same user, I think there's no cause for concern that the dev will actually blacklist PM/SL: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/69

Anyone working with GitHub probably knows that it'd be lunacy to just act upon every issue/PR that people come up with.

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[–] sour@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it's needed to block them. It's like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more.

what did protonmail do to you ._.

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[–] helpmyusernamewontfi 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

this is someone probably <13

"RobloxPianoAutoplayer" "Anime-Clicker-Simulator-GUI"

what??

also their "Guardian V2" repo

Q: What is Guardian V2?

A: Guardian V2 is a side project of mine. Its purpose is to protect users from game/user-made malicious functions/scripts. It is highly customizeable

jeepers weepers man isn't it so cool to have their anti-cheat so customizeable??

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[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago

These genius also wants to block Tutanota too. What a joke. Never heard of this project and I will now go back to not hearing them.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm really not a fan of heavy-handed approaches like this. I understand why most of the listed domains are on the proposed blocklist, but Tutanota and Proton are the two most common private email options. Rambler is a Russian news aggregate, so I'm not sure why that's in the list, politics aside

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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 25 points 11 months ago

Power Users: Block all emails that aren’t Gmail or Outlook!

Also Power Users: Why are Google and Microsoft monopolies!?

[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So I gotta start using my AOL email again?

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[–] vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If that's the case, they should also block Gmail.

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[–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Hah, there's also seznam.cz (meaning "a list") - I wouldn't be surprised if more then half of whole Czech Republic (so ~6M) uses that as their primary mail provider.
It's also a main local web search and maps provider among other stuff, and pretty popular with non-english speaking part of the population.

If the maintainer accepts this they would be most probably killing the project, can't imagine people using it when it drops their user registration by a lot because of blocklists this wide.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well whatever 7c/fakefilter is, they just got unpopular.

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