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    [–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 141 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Windows 12: Paintbrush now comes with ads to Microsoft's subscription AI Paintbrush service. Also bucket fill is now a $0.49 DLC.

    [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "What to make quick copies of certain areas of the image? Buy 100 packs of both 'Copy' and 'Paste' tokens now on sale in the Microsoft store! Each use of Copy or Paste function uses only 1 token. Make sure you stock up for 'Back to School'!"

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    And don't forget! you have to pay to shut down your pc!

    [–] Frellwit@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Not only that. Pay to get even more ads and tracking!

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

    What a deal!1!!!1

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    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago

    That's going to be in the free upgrade to Windows 10 and 11. Back porting some critical features to old, but still supported releases, is an essential part of good customer support.

    [–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 122 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows?

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Technically it was just a Microsoft Tech Evangelist that said that, in a non official capacity, and I'm pretty sure the sales people took him to the torture chamber after that.

    From a technical point of view, there was nothing stopping Microsoft from making Windows 10 a rolling release, so I can see how some naive fools might have convinced themselves that their employer wouldn't be shitty to their users for the first time ever.

    [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

    It wasn't just a tech evangelist. Our Microsoft sales people were telling us that feature updates would mean no more major os versions.

    [–] ares35@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    at some point we'll be renting windows, not buying it. so there will be a "last windows you'll ever buy". if microsoft had their way, we'd be at that point now (they've run trials on subscription-based windows way back in the early win7 days). but us lowly users are probably 'safe' until whatever's after 12.

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    [–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Don't let your guard down. Maybe this time they'll fully pull the TPM/UEFI trigger and make it impossible to install any other OS on new PCs... they have lots of leverage over manufacturers to tighten the screws on the BIOS and boot process.

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The European Commission would appreciate the multi billion euro "donation" from Microsoft if they did something so obviously anti competitive.

    [–] DetectiveKakuna@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    I agree, but also when has a threat of a fine ever stopped a capitalist from doing what they want? They just call it the cost of doing business.

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    [–] CreeperODeath@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Time to learn how to hack motherboards I guess

    [–] fluxion@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

    Time to not buy from shitty OEMs that agree to do this

    [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    I don't think they would hard shoot themselves in the foot like that thankfully/sadly? idk my opinions on it. They would start with company graded devices before doing a consumer lockdown, since they are less apt to get massive backlash from that, they have tried already and backtracked iirc with lenovo systems

    [–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I hope you're right. But the only reason it hasn't gone as far as it has it because everyone watches them and pushes back. I remember the ARM-based Windows laptops they tried pushing, which had fully-locked bootloaders (WinRT?) That's their endgame...

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    [–] MickeySwitcherooney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Win 12 is obligated to be good due to the "every other version of Windows" rule, which has been true forever.

    [–] afunkysongaday@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Let's agree on "less bad".

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    [–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Windows 11 has tabbed file explorer, a package manager, it's quick, the interface looks nice and feels nice, and it's been really stable for me. I don't know where the complaints are at, it's been great. All they need to do is regress all of the ads-in-your-OS stuff from 10. Bring back the start menu that doesn't hang for 30 seconds looking something up online before showing you your installed programs.

    [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    (They're not going to regress that)

    (They'll add more)

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    [–] Lightning66@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Windows 12 dev employee: what if ... what if... We break the taskbar into bits.

    Wait wait wait.... I think we can uh... maybe just maybe not add bloat... Turns around to see the employer.... Gulp

    Turns back to screen... Adding bloat is always the answer... Right boss?

    [–] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago

    I am waiting for an taskbar, entirely replaced by bing chat. You will never find anything with seconds of the delay, besides internet websites and is horrible to use with bad internet. Offline mode will also not be available anymore, because Microsoft needs funktion critical telemetry

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    [–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Okay I'm not very technical but I hate Microsoft with every fiber of my being and want desperately to break from them but can't bring myself to switch my regular and gaming PCs to Linux. It just feels like too much work like I'd be starting over and most of all I just fear change. Is there a good YT series/channel or blog or something I can check out that might make things a little less intimidating?

    [–] mister_newbie@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Dude, with the exception of Gamepass, Linux gaming is really easy.

    If you're okay with Redhat/Fedora, using Nobara Linux (it's a spin-off, unofficial, but by the guy who does a lot of the Proton [magic compatibility sauce] stuff, GloriousEggroll, who AFAIK is a dev at RedHat) literally installs everything you need.

    Steam → Steam
    GoG/Epic → Heroic Launcher
    Amazon/Blizzard → Lutris
    Gamepass → You have to use the cloud version with Edge browser

    Click, install, game.

    There's only a few Anticheat PITA titles still (I believe Valorant is one) that won't work.

    [–] Ziro@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Notable to the list of titles that won't work is Destiny 2.

    Having said that, I've been using Linux as my daily driver for everything, including gaming, since June, and I haven't run into many issues. It's certainly worth the minor hassle entailed to get some titles to work, if only to get away from Windows 100%. You can always dual boot.

    If you aren't very technical, I would also consider Linux Mint. You won't always have access to the latest and greatest, but it's simple and very easy to learn if you're coming from Windows.

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    [–] redempt@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    hit me up and I'll walk you through it if you want. there's tons of online resources but I know it's always easier to have a helping hand from someone who's done it before. I'm no expert, but I've been daily driving Linux for years.

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    [–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 1 year ago

    Folks have mentioned dual boot before but you can also run Linux directly from a usb stick, without changing anything on your computer. You can try it to see what it's like and when you remove the stick it'll be like it was never there.

    [–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

    I saw something about dual booting. I know you want to game but start small. Try a virtual machine. They aren't difficult to setup and there are hundreds of easy tutorials. Get a feel for Linux. See how you feel and then dual boot. When you are comfy then migrate the truth is this community pushed Linux hard and that's because it is mainly FOSS and it is private or more private rather.

    However, no matter what anyone wants to tell you. Linux absolutely has its quirks and sometimes they get technical. There is a learning curve and some issues can divulge into multiple problems. This kind of thing can be frustrating but shouldn't stop you from learning and experimenting. I like Linux but I also appreciate that Windows for an average consumer does what it needs to.

    The other thing is there is one OSX and up. There is one Windows version. There is an insane amount of Linux distributions. The easiest to learn are Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and if you want something more lightweight and true to force you to learn then you can just install Debian.

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    [–] requiem@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Kindof proud to say I never installed anything after Windows 10, including that.

    [–] Bogasse@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Same after Windows 8.1 ! 🥳

    I've had to use Windows 11 a tiny bit for work and it was the most painful experience I had for a while. Most apps I used on there had obvious bugs, like the VPN chosen by my company requiring me to reboot every time it goes to sleep ...

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    [–] art@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows.

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    [–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 21 points 1 year ago

    Probably only supports chromium browsers, such as the only browser you'll ever need Microsoft ~~Explorer~~ Edge™

    [–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Used Ubuntu for a year and while initially it was nice, I got tired of having to spend two weeks learning which magic spells to chant at my computer every time I wanted to install a given application.

    I'd use Mac again, except that it tries to punish you every time you go outside the Apple box. For me, Windows is the right balance of ease of use, scaling degrees of complexity, and ability to boldly go where I have no damn business going.

    Your experience may vary, and that's good, because you shouldn't have to like what I like, and vice versa.

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    [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I have no idea what Windows 11 contains...

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    it's basically just windows 10 but reskinned, rebranded and released as a "new operating system"

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    [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    A start button that by default is not in the corner.

    [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    That's not the worst part. The worst part is how I can no longer move my taskbar to my second monitor. It is now locked to my first.

    [–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The worst part is how they make it nearly impossible to create a local user account. It's fine to have alternative account types, but that's not what I want on my own machine.

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    [–] Xeknos@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    10's my last one. I'll be going on a linux journey here soon enough - maybe keep a dual boot of 10 on a separate SSD for the games I absolutely can't get to work in linux, but they can keep their Windows 11/12.

    [–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I'm right there with you.

    Microsoft (and honestly a lot of mainstream software) has been slowly evolving over the years from providing robust, full-featured products that allow you build your own workflows to shipping things with an inherent "paradigm" or "ideology" on how they should be used. Mostly (unsurprisingly) to the ends of data collection, ad serving, and profit driving. Gross, gross, gross.

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    [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Ugh, 12 is announced already? Seems like we just got 11!

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    [–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It might be a problem to many of us if they do something stupid to GitHub...

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    [–] mdurell@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

    Homer should be labeled "Red Hat" in this day and age.

    [–] WheatleyInc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Microsoft stinks, I use Windows because I'm lazy. MAC is so much worse though, why have I never heard a Linux user criticize MAC?

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