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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by TokenBoomer@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
 

If someone won $500,000,000 in the lottery, what would be the most effective way to spend it to change the political situation in America?

Edit: Asking for a friend. Also; as much as I appreciate the violent suggestions, I’m thinking more positively focused.

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[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can't. That's not enough money.

Make the lives of your community better instead.

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think some of y'all are really overestimating how much politicians cost. I don't have a photogenic memory but I remember a few years ago on an article like this politicians were being paid like $70k.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

photogenic memory

I can't decide if this is intentional boneappletea or not, but either way I love you.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago

There's a huge difference between what they're paid by the state and what their backers pump in to put and keep the 'right' (wrong) people in power.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 40 points 10 months ago

You’d start by attending $10,000 plate dinners, and shaking hands with candidates and expressing views. Hire a few $60k a year idealists for a think tank to publish papers. Pick 1-2 issues and hammer them. Pay lobbyists to set up meeting and propose/write legislation and amendments.

As some of your (hopefully idealistic) candidates win, you ask them to help drive your issues through. Get them to make concessions to other people’s proposals for support on theirs, helped by your lobbyists. Use your think tank to drove issues and provide talking points and legislation.

That’s the traditional view. A better approach might be to create a 501c3 and run positive message ads that give you a warm feeling about america in general, say nothing of substance, and include a candidate you like’s name sometimes. Then another pac showing pictures of the candidate you don’t like and chanting “hate hate hate” behind them. Play to your audience.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hire a couple people who are really good at making memes and other easy to digest content relative to your cause, then hire 1000 3rd world workers to constantly spam that content on the 10 biggest social media outlets, chat boards, etc. being sure to hit all the big groups that are in the ballpark of your cause. Amplify existing messages favorable to your cause with reposts and reactions.

Basically just a big astroturfing campaign.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Fuck, if only i was good at making memes. I'll just have to keep spreading seeds and hope the grass takes root!

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 27 points 10 months ago

My first move is to think about safety and longevity. I'm going to need a private island as a base of operations. Caution also dictates having a few backup homes, so my enemies never really know where I am. Beyond that, I need to spread my message, so I'm going to need a private plane. Something modest and a few years old is fine. This is a charitable effort. It isn't about me. And in the name of charity and effectiveness, let's go ahead and add a boat on there, too. Now, to really clear our heads before we get going and make sure we're enacting the right policies, we're going to want to bring in some girls...

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Relentless advertising the week before the election. Any sooner than that and you're wasting money. The electorate has the collective memory of a goldfish so wait until the few days, and especially the weekend, before the election and dump it all into an overwhelming advertising campaign. Every other commercial that comes on TV should be one of your attack ads listing everything horrible the candidate you oppose has ever done wrong.
Buying politicians won't work, that kind of money will either buy one for a few years or many for a few months. But $500m is less than a million dollars a year for just the house of representatives and when that money dries up their normal donors will be there with big fat checks ready to change policies back to the way they were before.
In order to enact real change you'll need to actually replace the people in power. And even then the major sticking point is making sure that the candidates you endorse actually make the changes that would limit future corruption.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Considering the small amounts of money we do know about in corruption, I would day you massively overestimate how much someone costs.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're not all Lauren Boebert, but there's a lot more money than half a billion being thrown around in politics. If half a billion were enough to just buy all the politicians Musk would have done it a long time ago, that's about 1/400th of his net worth when he keeps his mouth shut.

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[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don’t focus on a national scale, focus more locally. Look at state legislatures. Look at mayoral and school board races.

[–] Apock@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Semi-related I can confirm. I recently found out that my state senator sold out for only $14,000

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Michael Bloomberg spent $1 billion to run a distraction campaign, taking headlines from Bernie Sanders' repeated wins in the early 2020 Democratic primary. Bloomberg spent $500M the first week to flood the internet with influencers and meme makers being absolutely distracted by the low torrent of low effort shit post memes about Bloomberg. It was so obviously an astroturf campaign built on fake sentiment that everyone forgot Bernie won 5 states in a row and was crushing Biden. By the end of the month, Elisabeth Warren also bowed out and took her progressive voters to Biden.

So for $500 Million you can ruin a grassroots campaign! Buy bad memes and pay influencers to distract people.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

It’s funny when you pretend that each of those weren’t 100% coordinated by the DNC to prevent Bernie from winning a bunch of states and perhaps the presidency.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

change the political situation in America?

Change for the better or for the worse?
(hint: the latter comes cheaper)

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Which one involves a giant fuckin nuke?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You'd be competing against multi-billionaires and huge corporations. It wouldn't be enough, even though it's a ridiculous amount of money for one person.

Changing the US would probably be impossible. Maybe changing your state would be possible. Changing your local community would be much more realistic.

Helping people get homes and food would likely help reduce crime.

Helping people get educations would help some people escape certain situations.

If you're fixed on changing the US political situation and you think there's a party that can change the situation, you can go with political donations. I believe whichever party spends the most money on their campaign is the one that wins more often than not.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Having multiple billions and dumping half a billion at once are two very different things.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

The multi-billionaire would probably already know how to more efficiently use the money though, making their millions of political spending stretch much further.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago (14 children)

The fundamental cause of America's problem is the two-party system. If you want to get rid of that you have to switch to a proportional representation system. I would suggest working at the local or state level. I do not know of any organization working on this issue. You would likely have to start one yourself or hire someone else to do so.

If you're genuinely going to do it, any suggestion I make here about specifics would be pointless, as you should do significant research before deciding on what flavor of proportional representation to push and where. But, the key is to adopt a system known for accurate and small party representation. If a party gets enough votes to win a single seat, they should be awarded a single seat. If they get a third of the votes, they should get a third of the seats.

Let me know if you want to talk specifics.

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You could do what Mike Bloomberg did in 2020 and try and buy your way into an election. Then again when he spent $500,000,000 on his campaign that got him no where.

[–] Followupquestion@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Be fair, he also spent a couple hundred million dollars buying seats for the Dems so they’d push his favorite policy of disarming the plebs. He slipped up and said it and there should still be a YouTube video up with that exact moment recorded for posterity, though I know YouTube has taken down a lot of them.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 11 points 10 months ago

Buy yourself a couple of supreme court judges. They're a bargain these days.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

$500 Million? How long can you rent a Supreme Court Justice for that much? That might be your best chance at positive change.

Now, if we're looking for Quantity of change over quality of change, you could actually cause the MOST CHANGE by putting that money towards a drone strike on the Capital while Congress is in session.

Just hypothetical answers to a hypothetical question. I'm not advocating anything. No need to put me on any more lists.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Before we get violent, can we at least try LSD in the Congressional water supply to see if that does it in a positive way? ALSO TOTALLY THEORETICAL, FUN CHRISTMAS TALK!

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Definitely this one first, but if it doesn't work out, mine can be a back up.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could probably buy enough congressmen to pass a few laws. Not sure what the best ones would be.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Except scum recognizes scum and only does deals with each other. That's why you hear the prices are so cheap, it's practically a formality.

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is absolutely true about corrupt people seeking each other out.

A disembodied force of pure evil exists in this world, and its minions are working together.

[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Dark, but pragmatic.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I think the best thing you could do with that amount of money would be to start a community organizing non-profit. Things like registering voters, tenant advocacy, helping people gain access to benefits, etc. etc. Basically, just organizing and connecting people to the system.

If you’re restricting things to just electoral politics, though, I’d say focus on close elections at the state level. A half billion dollars isn’t much in the context of a modern presidential election but it’s an absurd amount for state legislature elections. You’re probably not going to turn Mississippi blue or Massachusetts red (or whatever your goal is) but control of a swingy state like Virginia usually comes down to a handful of close elections. You could probably make a meaningful difference in 20 states just with get out the vote funding.

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Y'know, I don't think that's enough to make any significant change. It takes more than money - it takes generations. Nothing will change until things get so bad that the comfortable (I assume they're comfortable if they're not engaged) majority get involved at all levels. I'm not pessimistic..

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Don't bother. Enrich the lives of those around you. Feed homeless. Help friends start small businesses. Fix single mother's cars. Ensure your own stability first, though.

I really like the idea of testing alternative business and corporate structures and definitely not developing a model library for medical devices to print.

[–] IBSshitposter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Fund an antifascist center in the top 200 cities in the country (one per state minimum)? Run a study on how to overthrow capitalism and mail a game plan for a general strike to every single American? Start a land bank for a large area that completely collapses western land ownership laws?

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Since there no other comments yet, I’ve always had the idea to pick anyone running across any race in the US under the democratic socialist party and donate the max amount to each of them individually. I think all the max values are under $2,500 per individual but so many races are in small towns and whatnot where that could go a long way. I mean folk like Bernie Sanders would also get the max value per individual but it will go further for the downstream races. I have zero background or knowledge in this area so maybe that is just super naive.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It could probably make a big difference in key areas.

You probably couldn't effect enough small towns to turn Texas blue, but if you could saturate some rural PA counties and shift them slightly less red, it could lock down a swing state when it really counts.

[–] Lath@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Ads on every billboard everywhere.

[–] rando895@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Well, playing the same game as rich guys will result in you losing. But it's important to remember the October revolution was funded with much less.....

[–] nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN@lemmings.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Look at what the justice Democrats have done. They put highly progressive people in power. It's not a simple task.

You have to find the right candidates to put the money behind. Cover the expenses and make sure they can put all their time in their campaign.

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