If he had made an automated toaster, we wouldn't let him copyright the toast that comes out of it.
He owns the patent. He doesn't get to copyright the toast too.
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What a great way to put it
Can you copyright food
possibly under the current law. when it comes to, say, lab-grown meat, there are specific, patented processes for doing that which can produce a specific result that could possibly be copyrighted. I think it would be hard to argue in court that it’s a “creative work”, but maybe? it wouldn’t surprise me if some particularly unscrupulous company made an attempt to do so.
we very badly need IP law reform.
For context
The decision, issued by Judge Beryl Howell, stemmed from computer scientist Stephen Thaler’s efforts to copyright an image he said was created by an AI model, identified as Creativity Machine. Thaler claimed that as the owner of Creativity Machine, he was entitled to the copyright. The Copyright Office rejected that application on the grounds that human authorship is necessary to secure a copyright, prompting Thaler to sue.
Howell ultimately upheld the Copyright Office’s decision, citing long-standing precedent about human authorship. “The act of human creation — and how to best encourage human individuals to engage in that creation, and thereby promote science and the useful arts — was thus central to American copyright from its very inception,” Howell wrote. “Non-human actors need no incentivization with the promise of exclusive rights under United States law, and copyright was therefore not designed to reach them.”
Copyright is a cancer
Copyright, in theory, is great. It’s the current state of intellectual property law, especially in the United States, that’s the problem. 
As per usual not the technology but the implementation as it always is, time in and time out
well, if you really want to get specific, it’s because large corporations with a vested interest in maintaining and consolidating IP rights for as long as possible while neglecting small artists and individuals were the ones in charge of writing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and then the US strong-armed most of the rest of the world into adopting most or all of it via compliance by means of a great many treaties, trade deals, etc. in the wake of 9/11 and the expanding militarization during the “War on Terror” at the time. it was pretty underhanded.
Or, in other words: capitalism screwed the little people, and we’re still paying the price.
You mean to tell me that the rich and famous still influence the laws of the land 🤔
It seems that AI without human guidance is mostly useless. So far we've seen that you need a human operator, and typically one with decent domain-specific knowledge/skill to get an AI to produce anything worthwhile. That guidance is essentially human authorship.
Most of the time, human guidance occurs before the AI generates anything. For example, ChatGPT was trained with human involvement, but most of what it writes will not be reviewed and edited by a human.
However, an identifiable component of the text must have been written by a human author in order to claim copyright. So most of what ChatGPT writes cannot be copyrighted. It would only be eligible for copyright if a human reviewed and edited what ChatGPT had written.
There is an underlying tension in that copyright is explicitly meant to be an incentive for creative efforts made by humans (who would otherwise be doing something else), and AI is generally designed to replace humans engaged in creative efforts.
Biggest blow to movie studios trying to exploit people.
I wonder to what degree a human would have to be involved? Like if an AI generated the background and you painted on top of it would that be enough. If so, how much would you need to modify the generated output for it to be considered human authored, just changing the colours, some editing/blurring/cropping. Will be interested to see if this gets clarified.
You need to exert creative control over the product. If you created an appropriate image for the background, that would probably be enough. If you slapped the same decal on everything produced by an AI, that would probably not be enough.
Remember, AI generated work is in the public domain. So your question is identical to "Can I take a public domain work and alter it sufficiently to claim copyright on the product?". The answer is yes, provided you make sufficient changes.
Remember, AI generated work is in the public domain.
That hasn't been determined yet. A human prompt used by the AI to generate content might be enough to grant copyright. This case is about autonomous AI generated content.
A prompt is not sufficient, in fact some image copyrights were revoked from Kristina Kashtanova when it was revealed that her involvement in generating the images was limited to providing AI prompts.
She was only allowed to keep copyrights for work with more active involvement, namely text and layout.
At that point, what is the point? These creative AI are being pushed to replace workers, not work with them. If you have to pay for the AI, and pay people, why not just save the money and use people?
I guess for the same reason you pay for computers but still staff. It's a force multiplyer. I think we are still a bit of a ways off from total replacement but the force multiplyer effect is something that can happen right now with current capabilities.
Perhaps, but if workers know that so much of the work is being done by AI, I would think they would push for higher compensation since the money would otherwise go straight to the top.
Granted that sort of bullshit has been going on since man invented money. But I think this might be the change where people finally realize how greedy people at the top really are.
Workers will try, and some will win but many will lose. The company switching to AI assisted work is already going to be laying off a sizable portion of their workforce. If anything wages are going to go down due to the productivity gains as hiring will be easier.
Now if workers have a strong and useful union, they might have the leverage to negotiate favorable terms. But without that, the benefits of technological capital does not go to the workers.
I hope that's how it works out. I guess it will depend on how the balance of power is set up between workers and employers in your region and profession. In practice I'm worried that it won't work out well for most of us.
The rich folks still need everyone earning money though otherwise nobody will buy their stuff so hopefully some kind of solution is reached that can benefit everyone.
To be fair, if we could achieve a fully autonomous robotic workforce (read: roboslaves) that can do everything a human can do, it would go one of two ways:
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Everyone benefits from the reduction in labor needs and humanity works toward a post scarcity future
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The wealthy hoard the workforce, and keep everyone else under their boot.
Which do you think would be more likely?
As a designer, there is a limited purpose to use generative graphics as assets in a composition for various purposes. I might want to generate a cloud background, or perhaps a small object to use here or there. Certainly not an entire composition, because they always come out bizarre or warped, or having some sort of weird hallucination in them. But generative AI can create, for example, a flower, or a building to be used in background, or to cover up an empty space. Once you place that item, then I would have to go in and touch it up a bit to make it look like it fits and adjust the lighting and fix any weird quirks that might have, but it’s a lot better than having to have a photographer go out and take a photo of it or to pay for a stock photo of it and license that plus every problem that comes with that.
So generative AI tools in Photoshop, for example, can end up saving a lot of time and effort and money for licensing stock photos, especially when I only need a portion of it, but it doesn’t comprise but a small portion of an entire composition. 
What if I were to create a training model made exclusively from my own artwork. It would only be reassembling my work, so would that not be copyrighteable?
I wonder how that would be handled in the future.
Because you're not generating the output.
I'm not sure I agree with this position, but that's the reasoning.
If that were the case, a compiled program is not copyrightable.
There goes Wombo's business model.
ai and copyright are the two shittiest fucks in my ass im glad they're together now making a complete shitwizard