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wow just wow while i can't say i didn't see this one coming but it always amazes me where greed could lead someone

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[–] code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google is an ad company. To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.

When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.

Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?

Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

It's so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I'm logged into the pirate instance of a federated platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.

Sadly most younger people haven't even heard of Firefox.

[–] Ragerist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most young people are basically tech illiterate. Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones. But have zero idea how any of it works under the hood.

Ask them to transfer a file from a computer to a USB drive, most will not know how. They have no idea how a file system is structured or even that an app has to specifically made for different platforms.. e.g. Facebook app on Apple is completely different from Facebook on Android and the two will contain different bugs and different settings.

We are almost back to default browser = internet

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

You're absolutely right.

Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones.

I think that's mostly because most commercial apps have fantastic ui and ux.

[–] alongwaysgone@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Right? After years of feeling like the only pro-firefox person left on the planet, the pro Firefox sentiment lately is a breath of fresh air, to say the least.

[–] Seilorks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most younger people have heard of it. Using what came with their computer is just easier to them though.

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way I'll use YouTube with ads. The amount of your lifetime they waste is what I'd consider disrespectful to their users. Even if the ads were bearable, I wouldn't turn off my ad blocker on any Google site for tracking alone.

I also don't see myself subscribing to YouTube Premium, firstly because it's too expensive (stop including your music streaming service and make it cheaper maybe?), but also because YouTube is just a platform with a lot of not curated content that YouTube had no part in creating.

Let's see how the cat and mouse games between YouTube and ad blockers and alternative frontends go. If it's too much of a hassle, I'll just stop using YouTube. I don't miss Twitter, I don't miss Reddit, and I won't miss YouTube.

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[–] techgearwhips@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ivyZorz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This. I’m pretty sure this is a result of the ad engine changes they made to chrome a few months ago. Manifest V2 is what enables uBlock Origin to be so effective iirc and they’re removing it in chrome in favor of Manifest V3.

Firefox on the other hand still supports V2.

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[–] Anon@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

FreeTube/Piped on PC

ReVanced on droid

uYou+ on 🍎 phone

SmartTubeNext on 📺

Youtube can do the fuck they want on their website

[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

add mpv+youtube-dl to thr mix and you get a full healthy dinner

[–] Anon@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yt-dlp is the successor. On droid there are several beautiful front ends for yt-dlp so you don't need a terminal emulator

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there's also Newpipe x Sponsorblock on android.

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[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more ad-riddled they make the platform to try and monetise users, the more they make adblocks necessary to even be usable.

I didn't use to both with adblockers. I didn't like ads, but they didn't affect me enough for me to go through any effort blocking them.

Now I use blockers everywhere, on every platform. Even for creators I like, because I know how little they actually make for ads - so how bout instead of watching 12 hours of ads so they can get 2c, I just send them a dollar or buy their merch every once in a while to not watch ads at all? Etc.

Ads could have had a place. There are ads that serve a purpose, that have minimal disruption but still give businesses a way to develop awareness for those who might want to use them.

Movie trailers (including when they stopped trailing movies and started leading them) are examples of 'acceptable ads' to me. When I purchase something from a store and they include a printed card from their sponsor. When sports teams have logos for being sponsored. A work van with the business logo parked while out on call. Etc.

But the internet's online ads? Email spam? Telemarketing? These are forms of advertising that are actively hostile, and they've become the default. So now a user that wants to be on the internet at all is best served by block all ads, including the ones that would've otherwise been reasonable.

Google will never make me feel guilty for blocking ads when they're already making their search engine unusable, too.

[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And while I'm at it, here's the filters to add to your uBlock Origin's MY FILTERS settings to block YT's blocker:

youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)

youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)

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[–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I haven't had this happen using ublock origin, but if they do figure out how to block ublock origin, adnausiem (ublock origin fork) might work. It's a fork of ublock origin that tricks the ad providers into thinking you clicked on every ad, which not only bypasses a lot of adblock detectors, it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.

[–] notavote@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they really want to prevent us from watching videos without ads, they can. They know of the ad is watched or not, we can have some kind of auto-mute-during-ad but that's it.

Question is if they will kill network effect with it.

I have already drastically reducedy yt watching because of too many sponsors... watching two minutes of sponsored material, plus two ads just to see that I don't even wanna watch the stupid video is too much.

Not to mention those laud ads in the middle of relaxing and quiet video... few months ago one ad was starting with screaming, that's when I said no way.

[–] Domriso@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can't stand all the in-video ads.

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[–] trepX@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd say to you all: get used to bombshells dropping! At some point the investor pyramid scheme will go crashing down. It might be now. All those companies were on borrowed time. Until investors realised that "data" isn't valuable on its own - it's what you make of it. There needs to be a product that generates revenue. Spoiler alert, it is hard to come up with a business plan that takes plain usage data and makes the technical challenges worthwhile to squeeze money from it. I can feel it myself as data scientist. The honeymoon's over, investors want to see ROI.

I mean this cycle will probably recover in a few years when the markets recover but still - some lessons stick

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[–] Tired8281@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Report issue. You're not running an adblocker! wink What's an adblocker??

Google already has trouble with support, if they have a million lightly befuddled users who are getting blocked and "don't know why", that will be a problem for Google.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Somehow I feel like they won't care, those reports probably go directly into the bin.

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[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If you're demanding I watch ads, it's not "free". you're demanding my time and probably attention.

I really think we need to stop with this idea that "Something is free" because no money is exchanged. Some stuff ARE free, there are repos on git, where you can download software, there are websites that ask for nothing. However Gmail, Youtube, reddit, and the rest are not "Free" just because they aren't directly asking for money.

[–] Soltros@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

More people should try out Tubesync. It's a tool you can host yourself that essentially uses yt-dl as a backend and lets you subscribe to channels, and it'll download videos as they come out. Gets you away from the ads and you can archive content you like forever.

https://github.com/meeb/tubesync

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[–] kzhe@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Me who uses piped and all:

[–] doolittle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Really not worth watching a 10 minute video that has four minutes of YouTube ads and a minute of a sponsor pitch by the creator.

[–] Orbitrix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This seems somewhat intentionally coordinated, so that the squeeze everyone into submission.

[–] Gainwhore@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Whats up with all these online companies just deciding to be assholes this year.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like another poster said, investors are pushing for profits. The Sillicon Valley model of throwing money at it until they figure it out is suffering with the downturn in the markets. So with the VC and investor money drying up, sites are pushing to make money to keep the lights on.

[–] Gainwhore@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would't say keeping the lights on, more then trying to beat covid lvl profits.

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[–] hydra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They were always assholes, but the end of zero interest rates is making American corporations go from boiling the frog to just smoking the frog alive.

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[–] BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

We need to reclaim the internet

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[–] LeHappStick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If in the future they make it completely impossible to use ad blockers I'll just stop actively using YouTube. I hope a good enough alternative comes around.

I've heard it is quite difficult to make one.

[–] code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You could give Odysee a try. I was pleasently surprised at how well it works, and how nice the UI/UX is. Especially considering it is a decentralized platform.

It's missing a lot of the content that youtube has. Especially if you trying to look up a specific video or niche topic. But there's still a lot of great content available if you are happy to browse.

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