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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] hactar42@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just watched In the Hands of the Prophets for the first time a few days ago. The conversations between her and Sisko are master class in acting. The way Avery expresses Sisko holding it together, when you know he just wants to unleash on her. And the way she delivers her lines cold and they cut so deep, all while having a smile on her face. It is so good it is scary.

She delivers the line, "May the Prophets forgive you for abandoning them" like she is spitting at him, but is very monotone and matter of fact with a smirk. I honestly don't know how she does it.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She’s probably one of the top five rage/hate/appreciate combination of an actor and character in television.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Love to hate her, she’s easily one of the best.

Apparently wholesome as fuck off screen, too.

[–] Kudusch@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I really enjoyed despising Kai Winn. She’s such a broken character, always choosing the wrong side and still being completely convinced that her way is without alternative.

Still, I had some level of empathy with her (the gods she, in a way dedicated her love to, never chose her, never spoke to her and when she finally received visions, it was demons deceiving her). Fletchers performance is just the best.

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

She was the chosen betrayer and played her role in the prophecy.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I really enjoyed despising Kai Winn

Kai Winn = Villain you love to hate.

I think because she seems to real and believable. You look at it and think "wow this could be a politician/religious authority IRL. I've seen people like this."

It's kinda like how if someone kills someone on TV you don't think much of it because it's not something most people can really relate to. If you see someone cheat on their partner, though? It fills you with rage because for a lot of people, it's relatable and it hits close to home. She's a real-world villain.

Gul Dukat = villain you hate that you kinda love

He's constantly switching from very obviously evil to seemingly redeemable. You even see some qualities of him that are really good - he clearly cared about his daughter, and on more than one occasion he was extremely quick to change his mind and say he was wrong, something even good people struggle with. And he just has this ridiculous charisma.

Then you feel shitty when he snaps and goes full mask-off evil, guilty for falling for his charisma and ever thinking he could turn good.

I haven't even spoken about the Founders, Vorta, and Jem'hadar, they were all great too. Man DS9 had fantastic bad guys.

[–] TotallyNotSpez@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I need more Raktajino. I read:

Your Gagh is strong my child.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

An honorable meal!

[–] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Still wriggling!

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

She'd have made a great Dolores Umbridge. (Not to detract from the hatred Imelda Staunton succeeded in generating, she was great too!)

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago

Inhales

MY CHILD

I want to body slam that piece of shit into the nearest galactic barrier.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You know Billy, what worries me is how your mother is going to take this.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That scene still haunts me.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Stroheim

Billed in Hollywood as 'The Man You Love To Hate.'