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Something is happening at my school (lemmygrad.ml)

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Something wicked this way comes…

Okay, that’s a bit dramatic but I like to embellish a little bit. Something odd is happening at my school, though.

Yesterday I got an email from my history professor inviting all of his Genocide students to an event hosted at our school for a Ukrainian historian. Now I wouldn’t really have an issue with this in normal times, but we are not living in them right now. There is also the fact that Canada is the Ukrainian Nazi capital of the world so this whole thing makes me nervous right off the bat. I looked further into the invitation for more details and saw that the first half of the event would be for selling this historian’s book, and the second half would be dedicated to her talk.

Her book is about her brother who was in the Ukrainian Armed Forces who died on the frontlines. I was curious about this and did some digging. Turns out her brother joined the military voluntarily in 2015 and died in 2017 in the Donbas! I wonder what he was doing there? This just made me suspicious. She was writing this book before the war with Russia, but after it began she added in information about it. I have not read this book and I don’t know if I want to. If I can find it for free then maybe I will, if that happens I’ll share what I discovered. But for now it’s a no go.

I know some of you are curious about what she is going to say at this event, honestly I am too, but I cannot attend due to it being held so late in the evening. I have no idea how long her talk will last so by the time I try to make it back home the buses might not even be running and I don’t want to be left stranded. There might be a recording of it posted at some point so if that happens I’ll view it and let you know what happens.

So why does this situation bother me so much? Because it feels like propaganda. Canadian schools seem to have a track record with this kind of stuff and with questions being raised about the war this looks like a last ditch effort to keep drumming up support and outrage; I can’t imagine she’s being invited to talk about opposing the war and wanting peace talks. Canada will probably be one of the last countries to admit defeat, then again maybe they never will considering Chrystia Freeland’s position. I wonder if she’ll push for sending Canadian soldiers to fight on the frontlines. I know last time there was a draft in Canada the citizens went insane, mainly between the English (supported the draft) and French (opposed the draft), so I wonder how people would react now.

I guess this post is about me being emotionally frustrated with this whole situation. In class my history professor didn’t bring it up at all, so I wonder if he will during the next class…

That’s the end of my little conundrum.

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you're very much correct in your assessment. This is a propaganda stunt to white wash Ukrainian nationalists and normalize the holodomor narrative. It's important to keep in mind that a lot of literal fascists from Ukraine fled to Canada at the end of the war, and Canada was actively recruiting them to break up the labour movement here. We have a big nazi community here, they even erected monuments to themselves. People don't talk about it much, but it's really grim when you dig into it a bit.

One way of getting into postwar Canada "was by showing the SS tattoo," Canadian historian Irving Abella told "60 Minutes" interviewer Mike Wallace. "This proved that you were an anti-Communist."

Immigrants like Hunka were granted entry specifically because their collaborationist pasts made them useful in crushing left-wing organizing in Ukrainian Canadian communities. Collaborators assumed control of community organizations, some of which were transferred to them by the federal government, having seized them from socialist groups during the war.

Canada is the bad place.

[–] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Ukrainian Canadian Congress (UCC) are the Nazi loving Ukrainian organization in Canada, big friends of Freeland.

UCC Toronto event containing honouring of Nazi SS division attended by MP Yvan Baker, CAF members

Not directly about the UCC but it has some comments from the president of the Association of United Ukrainian Canadians (AUUC) which is the org that is older and was persecuted by the Canadian government to create the UCC.

Bandera-glorifying flyers handed out by counter-protesters of Toronto rally against NATO proxy war

Good breakdown of the persecution of the progressive AUUC by the federal government

Canada’s hostility towards progressive Ukrainians ends myth of concern for Ukrainians’ political rights

Group formed by the UCC literally funding Azov nazis

Canada-Ukraine Foundation’s COO trained Ukrainian Nazis, gives equipment to medical battalion of Nazi's army

Province of Ontario's government approving a UCC anticommunistbust tour to schools

Organization running Ontario-government backed Nazi propaganda bus tour aided Ukrainian Nazi’s army medical section

Sorry about any broken links, Jerboa is a nightmare on my phone to write comments with

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Great resources!

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I wonder what he was doing there?

Terrorizing ethnic Russians and other minorities, probably, especially considering he was there from 2015-17, he must have been a true Banderite at heart. I'm glad he died.

[–] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Shelling them too don't forget. Truly a hero (for dying ofc)

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago

I haven’t read the book but from what I gathered in articles and summaries it seems he died from shrapnel.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago

Imagine being the gigachad that killed him

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wait, the first half is for selling the book and the second half is for the speech? Sounds like they're worried she'll say the quiet part out loud a bit too much and hurt sales.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I thought it was weird because usually books are sold afterward… This whole thing stinks I tell ya! Stinks! If I get a recording of the speech I’ll make sure to share.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Lol i respect the hustle of her profiting of her nazi brother life story from dumbass liberals. But like what is the interesting part here?

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago

From what I can gather about the book (again I’m hesitant to say as it might reveal my school) its a sort of memoir about her grief, I don’t know if it goes into detail about her brother’s service but she does apparently talk about Putin in it (due to the 2022 war). If I can get a hold of a free copy I’ll let everyone know what happens in it.

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

every institution in this genocidal country is pro genocide, safe to assume so at all times comrade

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

It sucks having to be on edge all the time, but it is what it is.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trade with EU is exploitative of eastern Ukraine and the trade deal will prevent its development. The whole of Ukraine was split on the issue between east and west.

The whole thing started with the comprehensive trade agreement between Ukraine and the EU. Yanukovich had wanted trade with both Russia and the EU. But both Russia and the EU were forcing Ukraine to pick a side. Making a trade agreement with the EU would have forced Ukraine to change their regulations, negatively impacting trade with Russia, and having them become more dependent on the EU. There was also a significantly higher chance their net trade would decrease if they signed this agreement. So if they went with the EU, it would have totally screwed over eastern Ukraine.

I should mention that at the time, Russia was providing the majority of trade with Ukraine by a fairly wide margin. So it was much more practical to go with Russia.

The decision to put the EU trade agreement on hold, had sparked euromaiden, leading Russia to reclaim Crimea in response, which sparked the civil war.

I should also mention that Ukraine is a third world backwater country. Its gdp per capita is lower than some African nations, and is three times lower than their neighbours Russia and Poland. It’s not a country full of Nazis and reactionaries, no more than Guatemala. It’s just people who’ve been fucked over and exploited.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh I really hope my post didn’t come across as anti-Ukrainian. Everything you’ve said here and what I know is incredibly tragic and I would never take that away, I want this war to end but my country is hellbent on keeping it going (thats why I’m so resentful). When I said “Ukrainian Nazi capital” I was referring to Canada exporting Ukrainian Nazi collaborators after World War II, not the refugees. Canada the nation has worked very hard to rehabilitate Bandera and his followers’ images, they recently gave a standing ovation to a Ukrainian SS veteran in the House of Commons. So when this woman is brought over and from the information I got about where her brother was I couldn’t help but be nervous as I felt this wasn’t going to be an anti-war seminar. I hope I’m making sense here. If i get access to a video of the speech I’ll make sure to share what was said if anyone is interested.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yea, I just want to give you some context going into the speech.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I really appreciate it, thank you. I haven’t seen it yet (no uploads available still) but when I do I will keep all that in mind. I will try to share the speech as well.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

genocide students

UAF… died in 2017 in Dobass

So she’s not coming to talk about the ethnic cleansing her brother did and why that’s bad?~/j~

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

I am genuinely curios about what she had to say but I doubt it was anti-war in the sense of wanting peace talks. Her book apparently mentions Putin and I did read an article where she as mad about the resistance being labelled “rebels” as that implies they weren’t kremlin goons. The whole thing is very suspicious but I will share what happens if I get to watch a recording of it.