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[–] ffmike@beehaw.org 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bear in mind that Antenna (the source of this info) has no access to internal Netflix metrics, only to opt-in consumer information. We won't really know what's going on with Netflix's numbers until their next quarterly report.

[–] skillful_garbage@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

This is a super important piece of the puzzle that no one seems to be talking about. It's surface level at best

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[–] sky@beehaw.org 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm about to the point where I'm just going to go back to pirating. The value of streaming services was in their convenience. I was willing to pay money for that, but the more fragmented and complicated all of it gets, when I can just pay for 1 VPN and go to a site and click a few links...

[–] grumbul@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Piracy can be pretty convenient too. There are some services that are a kind of a hassle to set up, but work really well once everything is configured. You can have one docker container running qbittorrent and set up so it's only able to access the Internet through VPN, other containers running sonarr/radarr etc to automate the downloading, and one runing plex to organize and stream all the content.

I subscribe to several streaming services because the people who work on and create this content deserve to be paid, but often will watch something on my plex server rather than through the streaming site because it's just more convenient. Also it's nice to have local copies of that media in case it ever gets removed from the streamer in the future.

[–] skillful_garbage@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

That's what I've got too. Family and friends are slowly catching on the more I talk about it haha. Got a few friends and my whole family on my Plex server now. It's a fun side project/hobby too imo

[–] CoffeeBot@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

The recent loss of Rarbg has been pretty bad for Piracy community. Big shuffles on the internet lately.

[–] nobloat@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I only consume content the way God intended : Torrent

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 3 points 1 year ago

Absolutely the best way of consuming content, if you have access to the better trackers.

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[–] ArtZuron@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm honestly sort of suspicious of this report. I wouldn't be surprised if the information is misrepresented or outright fabricated.

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am not really that surprised. I think a lot of people use netflix and just didn't get a sub, because why pay for something that is free. I think a lot of people used the same account then grew up, moved out, moved on and just kept using the same account. Now that they cannot, they are happy to pay for it. My wife and I have not been kicked off my parents account yet. I do not know how long it takes to kick in. But, once we do, we may subscribe again, but it is not a rush as we are watching a lot of disney plus at the moment.

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[–] Chritter@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago

The other streaming services will undoubtly follow this trend now that Netflix has shown it works.

[–] Manticore@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, not surprising tbh. They tested the change in smaller countries like NZ first, which allowed them to determine if it was worth doing the same elsewhere.

Password sharing is really common, but I don't think enough people realise - if they give a shit about what they use and where it comes from, they're the minority. That goes for almost any service, not just streaming. The people willing to change their habits to protest are always going to be less than the entrenched people who can be pushed, inch by inch.

Most Netflix users just want something to watch with minimal effort and without having to try or think about it. So if the password doesn't work, they shrug, they accept it, they make their own account, and their routines stay the same. In fact I'm willing to be that of the new Netflix users, a majority of them are probably also subscribed to at least one other streaming service, too.

Convenience is a commodity, and users have different price points.

[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plex + Sonarr/Radarr and you won't need Netflix anymore ;)

[–] priapus@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Jellyfin if you don't want to pay at all

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[–] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My family is paying nearly $30/month for Netflix now, on top of paying for cable TV, Max, and Amazon. I currently pay for Hulu and Disney+ and share it with the family, but I really hope password crackdowns are not the norm.

If they are, I'm gonna have a good talk with them about other options. Just throwing money away because "Well what if I want to watch something on that platform one night and I don't have it" is precisely how these vampires want people to feel - the fear of lack of access.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't vote with your wallet on the Netflix one, crackdowns will become the norm

[–] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Agreed. The Netflix one is out of my control as I don't pay for it. So this discussion may be inevitable.

[–] aster@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The sad reality most of us who comment on social media and forums forget is we are just a vocal minority, majority of consumers don't care for these outrages unfortunately. If the end product works good enough for most people then they will keep it/use it.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

majority of consumers don’t care for these outrages unfortunately

See also: Preordering video games

[–] IcedCoffeeBitch@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Preordering online video games is such a rip off.

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I go nuts on anyone preordering digital releases just to be outraged when it turns out the game sucks balls.

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[–] TheSwede@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

No idea how accurate this report is. Either way people online tend to be a vocal minority. The vast majority of people using Netflix either aren't on Reddit or other discussion forums, or are simply lurkers who never comment. I find that people that do comment tend to be doom and gloom when it comes to these sort of things. That applies to me too, as I certainly won't buy Netflix due to their content.

But Netflix is large enough that it will probably be fine for quite some time. Even so I do think streaming is declining rapidly due to too many services and studies have shown that people do pirate more when accessing content becomes tedious. It's all a matter of comfort.

[–] sephi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I only use Netflix currently, as it comes with my phone plan. The convenience factor is nice, but I find the content library a bit lacking. I must explore Plex at some point.

[–] Signfeld@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check out Jellyfin when you're looking at your options for something like Plex. I love it.

[–] wiredfire@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

How would you say Jellyfin compares to Plex? Just today installed Plex server so definitely early enough in the process to hop to a difference media server 😁

[–] gravitywell@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jellyfin does most everything Plex does but without a pay wall.

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[–] skillful_garbage@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're both very similar, but they do have important differences.

  • Plex has a sleeker UI that is better for our less tech-savvy friends and family. I don't mind JF''s UI, but Plex definitely wins in this department.

  • Plex is easier to access from outside your home network, especially for those of us who do not have full control of our own internet. With Plex, you just open a port, specify it for Plex, and it takes care of the rest. JF on the other hand requires the user to specify the IP (or domain if you have one).

  • The first two points both result in a better experience for the end user as well. I don't need to hold anyone's hand when I invite them to the server, they can do it on their own. JF may not be as simple for some users.

These are the reasons why I personally use Plex over JF. However, JF is still worth considering. You don't need to pay to unlock any features, it's all FOSS, and imo it's more stable than Plex. It all comes down to personal preference and your situation. Hope that helps a bit!

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[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

So much for the great exodus that was predicted.

[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Savvy tech users consistently underestimate how much hostile corporate behavior the general population is willing to put up with.

But then I couldn't watch Netflix!!

When was the last time you actually did watch Netflix, and even then how often have you watched it?

.....but I need to watch Netflix

[–] li10@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought that Netflix would be caught out by the number of people turning to piracy, but I guess there’s also a lot of older people who have to setup their own account now that they can’t use a relative’s. Or just get the add on for the relative’s existing sub.

I cancelled my Netflix subscription, but it looks like I might need to set one up for my mum and my nan instead :/

[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Older people are an obvious demographic that won’t jump ship, but don’t turn a blind eye to the younger generation. It isn’t boomers who throw $70+ at video games on a constant basis. The threshold for a convenience/value ratio seems very low for a lot of people.

As an unrelated and statistically insignificant anecdote, the two biggest pirates I know are both actual literal boomers.

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[–] Captain_Wtv@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I've looked into it and the data is for 2 days. It might be an outlier...

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[–] nhgeek@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm skeptical. If this is indeed true, I believe it will be short lived. The simple reason is that the content is not worth the cost. It worked better when people shared their passwords maybe? I gave up my subscription long before they announced these changes because the content, IMO, mostly sucks.

[–] Captain_Wtv@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

There's a reason to be skeptical. The data is for 2 days

[–] Whirrun617@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hot take but I think ultimately this will work out for them. Nobody is going to cancel their sub over this, because whoever is paying isn't losing anything.

The people who lose access to the account might not sign up, but it doesn't exactly hurt Netflix if they don't, they weren't paying anyway.

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[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there will be an initial spike of signups, but over the long term the cancellations may outweigh the signups and subscriptions could decrease. Especially if they don't have another hit show like Stranger Things or Squid Game etc.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Good luck getting one soon as long as they refuse to fairly negotiate with the WGA. SAG-AFTRA already has a strike authorisation so we may be seeing that soon too, depending on how their closed-door negotiations go this week.

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(I never dare voice this opinion, but this is Beehaw so I’ll take a chance. Please be nice!) I understand piracy as a reaction against unfair corporate practice, but in the long run, with enough traction, this kills not only the distributor but the content creators as well.

I worry for the artists and the craft. I don’t want free lunch. Whenever I get free lunch either my attention span is being sold as a product or someone can’t live from their work.

I wish there would be some kind of Bandcamp for series/movies.

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[–] bigbangfieri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

hardly use Netflix, will of a movie we wanna watch is available on it (rare) and it's my parents' anyways so we're gonna get locked out sooner or later. Glad I just decided to build a NAS to make the whole torrenting > media server pipeline easier and with plenty of space

[–] Haunting_Tale_5150@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is, the answer to "how I watch x show otherwise" is pirate, which is an activity many people simply don't know how to or has many loops in order to make it work.

[–] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I mean it's literally just a "stream XYZ free" google search away for a lot of things.

[–] wpuckering@lm.williampuckering.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A spike in subscribers for a period doesn't necessarily mean they're making more money than before, even if the number of new signups offsets the cancellations.

I used to pay for the Premium plan, sharing with my parents, but downgraded to the Basic plan. My parents ended up getting their own Basic plan. So a single account essentially split into two, but the sum of both payments is now less than what it used to be for the single account. So Netflix gained an extra subscriber, but is now making less money from that pool of users.

It's totally possible that some number of these new signups consist of people who did the same thing.

Basically, seeing a spike in new signups isn't itself a measure of success. What matters is how much money they're bringing in monthly going forward compared to previously.

[–] lvl@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

As Netflix tested these changes in other parts of the world first, they had sufficient metrics to know how this change will affect their user-base. They are expecting an increase in subs and in income.

I cancelled my sub (4 screens), which was shared among 5 people. Two of these decided to resubscribe by themselves, although not in the 4 screens configuration. From my calculations this means:

  • Cancellation of a 18EUR subscription
  • 2 new customers on Standard, 13EUR each
  • Netflix took a profit of 6EUR from this operation, while gaining an extra subscription.

I think this matches their "100% increase in subs" metric. The only question is how many others who resubscribe will go for the 2 screens (Standard) sub, or the 1 screen (Basic) sub. With basic, the same situation would result in a ~2EUR decrease in revenue.

[–] xxkickassjackxx@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The general consumer is an idiot. It’s basic psychology. Rewarding behavior increases it’s likelihood. Soon other streaming services will follow.

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