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submitted 5 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
  • Donald Trump has to cut a fat check, and his appeal of the E. Jean Carroll verdict won't delay that.
  • Within 30 days of the judge's written judgment, Trump has to turn over either cash or a bond.
  • While he appeals the verdict, Carroll can't touch that money — but neither can Trump.
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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 54 points 5 months ago

The reason he has to cough up the money is: he has to post bond before he's allowed to appeal. So either he pays what he owes, or he puts up the money to ensure he pays after the appeal is overturned.

Ms. Carroll, unfortunately, won't see that money for probably another year, but at least she can rest assured that Trump is going to lose that appeal. Even if he becomes Supreme Dictator in November, that money is gone.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

To post a bond that large, someone would need to trust Trump to pay his debts...

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

I think it would be hard for anyone to risk 88 million to post a bond in any case. Trump is going to have to write the check.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To put a possible US president in your pocket? Plently of people would smile as they wrote that check.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lending money to Trump doesn't put him in your pocket because he just doesn't pay his debts and somehow manages to always get away with it.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I wonder if he can secure it with rubles...

[-] overzeetop@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

If you’ve already put $2B in trust with his son in law, what’s an extra 5% to keep daddy happy. It’s just a down payment for future intelligence.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 11 points 5 months ago

Call J G Wentworth if thats still a thing.

[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

877 cash NOW!!!!

Fuck… advertising works like a muh….

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

...CALL NOW.

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[-] aniki@lemm.ee 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I bet he can't even cover the check, since it's going to escrow and needs to be paid in full.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

He doesn't have it to hand over. That's over three times what the judge in his fraud trial said Mar-a-Lago was worth (Trump claimed it was worth $1 billion).

[-] teejay@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

He doesn't have it to hand over

Yes he does. He has to either pay the judgement to her, or put it in escrow if he plans to appeal.

That's over three times what the judge in his fraud trial said Mar-a-Lago was worth (Trump claimed it was worth $1 billion).

I don't understand this statement. Are you suggesting that the reason you think he doesn't have to pay is because it's a lot of money?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 67 points 5 months ago

I think you misread what I wrote.

I said "He doesn’t have it to hand over" not "he doesn't have to hand it over."

He doesn't have it to hand over because he's not that rich.

[-] teejay@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Shoot, my bad, you're right. I misread that as "he doesn't have to hand it over".

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

No problem. I think I could have been clearer. Chalk it up to the perils of communicating over text with no vocal inflections.

[-] aspire2493@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

I give both of you an A+ in communication. You can now kiss or not up to you two really

[-] groupofcrows@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

There is a lot of sexual tension between those two.

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[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

gonna just point out the collective PTSD we are all suffering. I also initially read it incorrectly and didnt bother re-reading because... well... "its the orange asshole - of course he's avoiding consequence... again!"

this puss filled ass boil needs to see jail time.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago

I misread it as well. Better to just be blunt and say "Trump is broke as fuck"

[-] SaintWacko@midwest.social 19 points 5 months ago

Wow, yeah, my brain absolutely read "He doesn't have to hand it over" 😂

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I can see how my choice of words could have been confusing.

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[-] ElleChaise@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago

Mine too. Reading too quickly for that series of words to come out correctly, I guess?

[-] rab@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

Even after you clarified here I still had to analyse those sentences for the difference

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm not the person you replied to, but I believe the person is saying "he doesn't have it, so therefore he cannot hand over something he doesn't have."

[-] teejay@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Yep, that was my mistake.

[-] sharkaccident@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Yes he does. He has to either pay the judgement to her, or put it in escrow if he plans to appeal

No he doesn't. I hate trump as much as anyone else, but all he has to do is get someone else to post bond (he will still have to provide a percentage to cover). There is a long list of people/companies/countries that would take that gamble assuming he gets reelected.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Time for more fundraising!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago
[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

Of course he can. He just can't say it's to help him get reelected. Smartest thing for him to do right now is spin up another set of "ai" nft images for his fan base to buy, to "help with the prosecution" he is suffering.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

He cannot use campaign funds but PACs are not the same thing and Trump has directed much of his fundraising into PACs. The courts have shown zero willingness to address this because a PAC is a corporation and corporation are imaginary people and since the rules don't apply to billionaires, the rules definitely don't matter to imaginary ones.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

He will grift it from his donors, like he always does.

That's less than $2 per 2020 Trump voter, and he gets more popular every time a judgment goes against him.

At some point it will run out but I don't think this is the last straw.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 months ago

What's to stop Trump doing the same thing that OJ has been doing for 25 years to avoid paying out to the families of the people he murdered in cold blood?

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

What did O. J. Simpson do to avoid paying?

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

OJ declared bankruptcy. If Trump did that he’d be opening up his finances to a ton of scrutiny he doesn’t want. He’d also be admitting to the world that his status as a successful billionaire is pure horseshit.

[-] Goodie@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

I do believe he testified recently that he is in good financial standing and has $400m cash. Which means perjury time, baby! Let's go!

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

That is literally one of the reasons requiring the escrow account.

[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Within 30 days of the judge's written judgment, Trump has to turn over either cash or a bond.

This always, always begs the question: "or what?" Over and over we hear of what courts decide people "must" do, but when they are rich and/or powerful or honestly just stubborn enough, it doesn't seem to have any teeth.

And I get it, there are a lot of things they can do, but they always seem to scared or complacent to do any of them. It's getting real old reading about what Trump or Alex Jones or whoever "must" do without seeing them actually suffer consequences for not doing it.

[-] Mononon@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

In this case, Carroll can start taking possession of his assets herself. She does not seem particularly sheepish about that. For some of these people, they can hide their assets, but Trump's are publicly known. I can't say what will happen, but there's some teeth to this one. And Trump couldn't argue with the damages amount because he'd risk losing one of his other cases that hinges on his assets' worth.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Also, I think it would mean she immediately gets the $5m that Trump had to put in escrow (which essentially means the court can dispense this without any action from Trump)

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Can you pay rape defamation victim damages out of your campaign fund?

[-] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Sure you caaan. And it's only illegal if you get charged and effectively punished!

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A federal jury sitting in Manhattan found that Trump defamed Carroll in 2019 by calling her a liar after she told the world he'd sexually assaulted her.

Once all post-verdict squabbles are settled, the final legal domino is expected to fall, triggering a payment clock to start ticking.

A source familiar with the case, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to do so publicly, told Business Insider that Trump's $5.5 million was still there, pending the outcome of his appeal of that first verdict.

A surety company could make Trump provide an extra 10 percent of collateral, and would require he pay a bond premium of anywhere from $250,000 to $1 million.

Such a large bond could probably be handled only by one of the surety giants — such as Travelers Insurance, Liberty Mutual, Chubb, or JP Morgan Chase, said the expert, whose employer doesn't allow press statements.

Among the penalties the attorney general is hoping for in the upcoming verdict are a payment of $370 million and a five-year ban on Trump applying for loans from any New York-registered financial institution.


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