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[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 74 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If it wasn't collapsing, it wouldn't be in the red.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 10 months ago

checkmate tankies

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 10 months ago

the higher they climb the faster they fall! got'em

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 58 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Lol at the UK just making shit up.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

Making shit up and still getting beaten by the "lazy" French and Italians.

[–] HaSch@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

UK's books are in the black again because they ran out of red ink

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[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think when the highest quality most respected China collapse preachers say collapse, they mean entering a Japan style stagnation. I'm not sure, because that would require me to consume a lot of China collapse preacher content, but I think that's how they can justify the narrative across different levels of seriousness.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Even that narrative is fundamentally flawed because Japan's stagnation in the 80s was a direct result of US imposing Plaza Accords on Japan. There is no opportunity for US to do the same with China.

[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It makes more sense if you look at it as a declaration of intent

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 10 months ago
[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If China can manage to turn its industries and markets to an internal production/consumption model and reduce its reliance on being an export economy, it would be much better off even without the massive growth. Growth will have to stop at some point, and the focus will be on stability, since China hasn't made any indications it'll try to fuel growth through imperialism like western economies have. Japan style stagnation would be not so terrible if your society is socialist.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

hopefully they would ramp up the social services to at least socdem levels in that scenerio

absolutely shame the west

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even with the current model of state directed capitalism, the amount of investment into social services and poverty reduction already shame the west. China isn't yet in a position to press the communism button, but once the threat of America and it's puppets decline there may well be a pivot.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

respected China collapse preachers

I assume this is read in the same way as "feminist ISIS member".

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you hold that graph up to your ear, you can actually hear the liberals going "yes but actually..."

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Flamingoaks@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah so many propagandists point to the slow down in economic growth from "socialist god" levels to "economic miracle" levels and are like china is falling apart they are due for a depression any day

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 10 months ago

Gotta have a reason to keep those Gordon Chang books on the shelf.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lmao at Germany. Imagine letting America completely demolish your economy like this and still following them around like a dog. "Um it was probably Polish revanchist terrorists or something that blew up the pipeline, definitely not the one actor in the vicinity that had the means and motive to do it."

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 10 months ago

Tbf China’s economy is less decayed (there’s less surplus capital), but that’s not a point for capitalism.

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