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Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated" (www.newsweek.com)

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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] LocalMaxima@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

can you wait to have rights? The Most Important Election Of Our Lifetime™️is coming up and we can’t afford to lose the transphobes

[–] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

john-brown I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood

[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Who the fuck cares about school sports?

There haven't been many studies for the impacts at the highest levels of competition (Olympic, World Cup, etc.)... For professional sports I'm OK with taking a more conservative approach, but who the fuck cares about school sports? There's so much genetic and age and socioeconomic variance that it literally doesn't matter.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

As a trans person, fuck sports, fuck the biden admin, I'm so fucking sick of this shit stfu-terf

[–] joseph@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

But Muh “harm reduction” candidate

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Look at all the harm being reduced. funny-clown-hammer Look at how this was and will be the most important election of our lives

Clearly trans people are only good enough to get your rocks off to and then be discarded. But tell me again why I need to vote for the-democrat and how they're really any different from the-republican ?

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said

"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese" -Charles de Gaulle

[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's really not complicated. If trans people are the athletic super soldiers they're made out to be we need to encourage them to compete in sports to make them less of a snooze-fest.

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[–] Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.

Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.

Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women's leagues anyways.

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[–] Magician@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.

And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.

It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And in a world where modern psychology was founded upon the teaching that all young girls suffer from penis envy, most people think striving for masculinity seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Author and sex activist Patrick Califia, who is a trans man, addresses this in his 1997 book Sex Changes: The Politics of Transgenderism: “It seems the world is still more titillated by ‘a man who wants to become a woman’ than it is by ‘a woman who wants to become a man.’ The first is scandalous, the latter is taken for granted. This reflects the very different levels of privilege men and women have in our society. Of course women want to be men, the general attitude seems to be, and of course they can’t. And that’s that.”

Once we recognize how media coverage of transsexuals is informed by the different values our society assigns to femaleness and maleness, it becomes obvious that virtually all attempts to sensationalize and deride trans women are built on a foundation of unspoken misogyny. Since most people cannot fathom why someone would give up male privilege and power in order to become a relatively disempowered female, they assume that trans women transition primarily as a way of obtaining the one type of power that women are perceived to have in our society: the ability to express femininity and to attract men.

Whipping Girl, by Julia Serano

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[–] TawnyFroggy@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I genuinely feel like this is such a non issue that even if I was completely wrong and science was a lie and trans women did have some kind of advantage over cis women in sports, it still wouldn't fucking matter because there are roughly six trans women playing sports at a high level. Manufactured outrage go brrrr.

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The way I always interpreted it was that any artificial environment necessitates artificial constraints which will always 'sample' from a 'population'. Sports are an artificial environment actively ensured to be such for some purpose. Whether that be entertainment, social bonding, profit, etc.

The sampling can have methods of organizing, say in a simple ordering of individuals based on skill with certain qualities. Think weight classes in boxing and the ranking of within them. It doesn't need to be so, and it seems that it tends to be the case to make it easier to conceptualize the relationships between the people who participate.

Of course in such an artificial environment certain traits like physical strength, coordination, flexibility, endurance, or whatever, in isolation or combination determine the likelihood one may succeed according to the artificial constraints. Are we to be surprised individuals who have been the primary enjoyers and participants, i.e. men, perform 'better'? It's what would be expected if the conflict of interest of fascicle chauvinism is accounted for rather than ignored for reasons of self-interest.

What I never understood was, say there are participants of some group in some sport who are overwhelmingly unlikely to win. This would be true for the participants, what about the coaches? If you open up the artificial environment from some small scale to something bigger, say at the level of winning teams, where are the differences then? In the case of owners of teams, where the amount of risk or investment the owner wants to take is then the primary metric? As you move further and further away from the artificial environment to the real world, the differences matter less and less.

Sure, my wife is not as tall as me, if I am around I'll help grab something on top of the fridge. That isn't the only environment she finds herself in. We have a step stool she uses to get stuff, she can rearrange things to bring it lower, or find some alternative item. There are any number of solutions or strategies one can take outside of an artificially constrained environment.

It's really as though these individuals want to hate women and trans people, or any marginalized group, then find the environments which may be hostile, make them actively hostile, and then when their plan succeeds and they have oppressed or disadvantaged these groups enough they claim victory due to their perceived superiority.

There's a quote from Catch-22 I think of when this sports talk comes up:

"Like Olympic medals and tennis trophies, all they signified was that the owner had done something of no benefit to anyone more capably than everyone else."

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Think weight classes in boxing and the ranking of within them. It doesn't need to be so

Yeah like Street Fighter. Which of course the Gamer(TM) types have no problem with when they play with a girl character... But put a trans woman in there an all of a sudden they explode.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Americans lose their minds if you put peoples lives over their treats

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

nicholson-yes

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Give blockers to all the kids so they have equal playing field

[–] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

anarchista-chad No, its really not.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views… There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated.”

I read this in Stephen Merchant’s voice

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

brump

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